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@baranskocracy @MobyDickSpoiler @SiNuTrmon Large firms moved because of feared political instability and worries over the future unity of the country. Not language laws.
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@kylehhh @MobyDickSpoiler @SiNuTrmon Businesses moved because of language laws! They didn’t have to, they chose to, because they did not want to participate in their communities any longer
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Losing a large chunk of your community because of material circumstances that force emigration is a fairly normal thing for communities to mourn! See Ireland with Irish emigration or even Quebec with French-Canadian emigration to New England
charlie 🇺🇦🇵🇸@baranskocracy
Moving to another city to work an easier job that you are more qualified for is not being driven out of the province lmfao
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@baranskocracy @MobyDickSpoiler @SiNuTrmon The “material circumstances” go beyond the language laws. Businesses moved; they were costly impositions. You can argue the trade off was worth it for growing a francophone middle class or in the name of rights but let’s not pretend it was not costly to the Quebec economy
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@kylehhh @MobyDickSpoiler @SiNuTrmon Those “material circumstances” were broadly “this work, which always should have been done with a passing familiarity of French, now requires it” and for some reason a passing familiarity of the language of their province and neighbors was not forthcoming or sought after
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@baranskocracy @MobyDickSpoiler @SiNuTrmon Are you going to address the (artificially imposed) material circumstances that drove Anglo flight or just continue this moralistic appeal that the Anglos should have all become vanguards of an emerging Quebec nationalism and remained despite declining material opportunities
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@MobyDickSpoiler @SiNuTrmon When this happens it’s usually because people who move to Montréal learn French and talk to Francophones and immerse themselves in the culture of the city and don’t want to spend all their time in tiny exclaves and social bubbles
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@klarnic_debt It’s the closely related fact of economic and sociocultural development
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Seems like, as with most things, what we’re really talking about here is class
Tasteless Alex@TastelessAlex
Growing up we basically ate at places like Chili's because that was the only option. Before Starbucks, my dad would go to random local bakeries and get what was basically Folgers that was sitting in a glass pot for hours. Sierra Nevada was the only craft beer.
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