“real dykes, on no terfy shit!” “I’m a #lesbian attracted to men” “trans men lesbians are valid because they’re born female” “no amabs except trans women.” does this not sound like terfy shit w a lil lesbiphobia?

@Nyx744 At the end of the day we are all allowed to have nuanced opinions she’s clearly articulated why she’s attracted to tboys I don’t think recognising that afab trans men have different socialisation to cis men is acc transphobia or lesbophobic

@dyketoevsky I’m sorry baby, but my thing is she said out her mouth that she acknowledges trans men are men. At the end of the day, you not gon sit here and imply lesbians can be attracted to men even in the most specific situations and not be called lesbiphobic for it. We don’t like men.

@Nyx744 @dyketoevsky I think more likely she's just attracted to them because she sees them as he/him women.

@Estrogentleman @dyketoevsky i think so too.

@Nyx744 @Estrogentleman @dyketoevsky You inserting the premise...along with the he/him estrogentleman> ironically sees themselves as men and pronouns he/him She saying she sees the intersection and how they are excluded from and marginalized from CIS spaces. Lesbians can date tboys it's ok, you will live.

@ShellTerminal @Nyx744 @dyketoevsky ok congratulations on being a woman and dating people who are attracted to women? that's just called being cis.

@Estrogentleman @Nyx744 @dyketoevsky Lesbian does not mean CIS.. Gay does not mean CIS Bisexual does not mean CIS hope you learned something new ..

@ShellTerminal @Nyx744 @dyketoevsky lesbian means woman, and afab+woman means cis.

@Estrogentleman @Nyx744 @dyketoevsky Lesbian spaces, include trans masc, non-binary and trans men, and trans women historically and today. It does not mean exclusive to CIS.

@ShellTerminal @Nyx744 @dyketoevsky yeah because lesbians see those people as women with pronouns.

@Estrogentleman @Nyx744 @dyketoevsky No some lesbians see them as trans men , with a lesbian past..

@ShellTerminal @Nyx744 @dyketoevsky lesbians aren't attracted to men, if they were they'd be bisexual, so if they're attracted to someone, they definitionally see that person as a woman.

@Estrogentleman @Nyx744 @dyketoevsky Sexuality isn't always fluid for many lesbians and gay .. it's ok to be bisexual .. Definitionally and historically female sex = lesbian means they are still lesbian ... They can definitionallt see that person as a male, like you do he/him and call yourself man.

@Estrogentleman @Nyx744 @dyketoevsky Bisexuals can exist in lesbian spaces .. Trans men can exist in lesbian spaces.. Just like trans women can exist in gay spaces

@ShellTerminal @Nyx744 @dyketoevsky yes they're allowed to exist in lesbian spaces because they're seen as women.

@Estrogentleman @Nyx744 @dyketoevsky No they are seen as trans men ...

@ShellTerminal @Nyx744 @dyketoevsky if they were actually seen as men, they wouldn't be allowed in lesbian spaces. you can tell this because lesbian spaces don't let in cis men or trans women, because they actually see those people as men.

@Estrogentleman @Nyx744 @dyketoevsky Yes because they're seen as trans men not CIS men

@ShellTerminal @Nyx744 @dyketoevsky ok, how about this: if a cishet man was attracted to a trans man and wanted to have sex with him, would you think the cishet man saw the trans man as a man or a woman?

@Estrogentleman @Nyx744 @dyketoevsky That's them to decide not you or me.. The cishet man would say he's gay..cuz he's dating a trans gay man ... If a cishet woman dates a trans man and says he's a lesbian , it's ok - CANT TRANS THE GAY AWAY!

@ShellTerminal @Nyx744 @dyketoevsky but supposing he didn't say he was gay and said he was straight, would you still say he sees the trans man as a man?