@EcciusMaximus Assumption of Mary.
We see Enoch and Elijah being assumed.
Where are Mary's verses?
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Jerad Macmanus
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Jerad Macmanus
@JeradMac
Christian saved by grace in order to do good works, Ephesians 2:8-10
انضم Nisan 2022
103 يتبع71 المتابعون
All Catholic Doctrines can be proved using the heretical 66 book Bible alone. just ask me.
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@MatthewsFlash @Ihunanya_chi Growing through birth rates and forced conversion.
Most people don't become Muslim because they are convinced that it is true.
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@Ihunanya_chi “Tear down Islam”
lol, good luck with that one. Over a billion on earth and growing every day.
Does anyone notice how he doesn’t “debate” Jews, atheists or Hindus?
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GodLogic’s father was once a Muslim, but Jesus saved him. Why? Because through that man, a powerful apologist would arise to tear down Islam and silence the Dawah guys.
And we are seeing it happen live!
Thank You, Jesus! 🙌
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I left the Catholic Church today.
Why?
Because the priest said the Mass was ended and we should go in peace and spread the gospel😊
So, here I am to say, "Jesus loves you," and wants everyone to be Catholic. Listen to Him.
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@Sacramentshow Protestants (Anglicans, Lutherans, and Reformed) all teach real presence.
Evangelicals (some Baptists and Pentecostals) take the Zwinglii view of the Eucharist as a memorial only.
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Serious question:
Around AD 155, Justin Martyr wrote that the Eucharist is not ordinary bread and wine, but the flesh and blood of Christ.
If the Apostles taught it was only symbolic, how did one of the earliest Christians get it wrong?
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@NickNevins34116 @LizzieMarbach @EliAyal17454205 Which one?
-Oriental Orthodox
-Roman Catholic
-Assyrian Church of the East
-Eastern Orthodox
-True Orthodox (Old Calendarist)
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@LizzieMarbach @EliAyal17454205 Two words… Apostolic Succession. You’re welcome
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🔥🔥🔥 from @EliAyal17454205
“At some point, the orthodox apologist is going to have to give reasons…they are evaluating the church by prior standards of judgment, and when they do that, the person is standing outside the church’s authority in order to determine whether the church’s authority is valid. Guess what? That’s private judgment.”
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@LizzieMarbach @EliAyal17454205 Yep. Any way you look at it you are using private judgement. Unless you are born into it and never question it's truth claims.
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@ThyPaddyDaddy @AnsweringRCs Tertullian, Clement of Alexandria, and Origen are the main church fathers that seem to go against this idea of a doctrine of veneration of icons and using them as "windows to heaven" as seen in the 7th ecumenical council in the 8th century.
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@ThyPaddyDaddy @AnsweringRCs "It was standard practice to use imagery in worship."
How about all of the church fathers that wrote against using images to facilitate worship?
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Saint Ignatius was the only Church Father I had to read to realize I couldn’t be a Protestant anymore.
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@ThyPaddyDaddy What specifically in Ignatius of Antioch's letters made you join EO?
Was it the language directed to the Docetists in regards to the Eucharist?
Was it the 3 tiered episcopate structure?
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@elliotantons @JayDyer Just saw that. Thought he was still just challenging David Wood. Good to see they are debating in October.
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@melvinnnnn30 @JayDyer Roman Catholicism can withstand such a claim because you have Cardinal Newman's doctrine of development.
EO cannot withstand it because they claim to be unchanging.
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@melvinnnnn30 @JayDyer Honestly, I am pretty sure Wood is just going to show that there really is no evidence that icons were used in worship as "windows to heaven" before the 3rd century. Once he proves that then that means the church changed doctrine in the 8th century. 1/2
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@Beserker64 @Acts17David @JayDyer I have a feeling David Wood is going to bring up the Ante-Nicene church fathers. That is probably his main argument.
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@Acts17David @JayDyer I’m so glad you’re here to set the record straight! Clearly the church fathers were clueless
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I just agreed to debate @JayDyer on two topics at DebateCon 9 (October 24-25) in Orlando. The topics will be: (1) Icon Veneration and (2) Which Is the True Church?
The end of the OrthoBro cult is nigh. 😇
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@Dark_Justice_21 @vaticansillo @whpub If you take 1 Clement by itself you don't come to those conclusions.
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@JeradMac @vaticansillo @whpub he didn't say the place but other church fathers did,
Ignatius confirmed Peter and Paul led the church in Rome
Iraneous gave the succession of the bishops of rome starting from them
Eusebius said they died in Rome
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Nobody thought Peter was the “first bishop of Rome” until … wait for it … wait for it …
… the late 4th century.
Which I guess means the early Church UNANIMOUSLY agreed that Peter was not the first bishop of Rome. 🤣
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Ojike Uzoma@Xtopher_Uzo
Protestants are often confused when Catholics say Peter was the first Pope. Let us make it simple. The Pope is the "Bishop of Rome". That is his primary office. But first, understand that the Apostles exercised episcopal authority in the early Church. Peter was the head of the Apostles, as seen throughout the New Testament. Peter eventually ministered and died in Rome. Consequent to this, he is recognized as the first Bishop of Rome. After him came Linus, then Anacletus (Cletus), then Clement, and so on. Every single successor who occupied the See of Rome inherits the same office. That is why Catholics say Peter was the first Pope - not because he carried a medieval title card that said "Pope," but because he held the office that later generations came to call the Papacy. Do you understand now? So when Catholics call Peter the "first Pope," we are saying that Peter is the first Bishop of Rome and the first holder of the office that his successor, Leo XIV now occupies today.
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@Dark_Justice_21 @vaticansillo @whpub Where does 1 Clement ever say that Paul and Peter are leaders in the church at Rome?
The letter treats them symmetrically as shared apostolic heroes for the broader church, with no mention of them residing in, founding, overseeing, or leading the church in Rome.
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@JeradMac @vaticansillo @whpub exactly! Clement, Paul they use the term "elder/presbyter" and "bishop" interchangeably
and Peter said he is a fellow elder in 1 Pet.5:1, if he was an elder and apostolic people such as clement and paul use "elder" interchangeably with "bishop" then Peter was a BISHOP
clear?
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@Dark_Justice_21 @vaticansillo @whpub Got it. My mistake. I thought you were arguing that Clement of Rome said that Peter was the first Pope.
Clement never says that Peter is the first bishop at Rome either.
If using 1 Clement, then your argument would also have to be that Paul was also the first bishop.
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@JeradMac @vaticansillo @whpub My first post is a response to the OP about Peter NOT BEING THE FIRST BISHOP OF ROME
my first reply had nothing to do with “primacy like a pope”! If you understood it this way then the fault is on you and your poor comprehension
Geez 😂
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@Dark_Justice_21 @vaticansillo @whpub Clement of Rome uses the term bishop and presbyter interchangeably.
Bishop and presbyter were the same office in church at Rome initially.
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@JeradMac @vaticansillo @whpub clement said the apostles appointed bishops to replace them, and in Rome he said Peter and Paul died there
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