Linus Mixson

You mean to suggest that Brahmi was influenced to look and sound just like Semitic scripts, but is actually descended from IVC? That's an odd claim to make given that no one has the barest clue how to read IVC, isn't it? Not a terribly great deal of evidence for any correspondence there… except for superficial similarities in letterform… the exact same thing you incorrectly said the evidence for Aramaic descent was limited to in a certain post that got deleted immediately after I pointed out that it was wrong…

@LinusMixson It is important to distinguish between a script being influenced by another script and being derived from it.

Anyway did you guys know that the Thai alphabet is a descendant of Egyptian hieroglyphics

I have studied the differences between Aramaic and Brahmi. You mean that they have sort of not the exact same letterforms? That one is an abjad and one an abugida? Wow. That's almost as crazy as Greek looking pretty massively different from Phoenician and being an alphabet. Have you studied their similarities? What about their insane implausible coincidence between letterform and phonetic value? I've attached a post concerning this, because perhaps you're simply unfamiliar. Why did you delete the post, above, in which you claimed that the evidence for Aramaic ancestry in Brahmi was confined to vague similarities in letterform? That's a curious intellectual choice. I appreciate the schoolmarmish deflecting lecture on intellectual maturity in the immediate wake of simply deleting a transparently ignorant claim rather than facing up to having made it, though. That's truly very funny.

@LinusMixson Before making such claims, study the differences between the Aramaic and Brahmi scripts. Using labels such as 'Hindutva,' 'far-right,' or 'nationalist' instead of addressing the evidence is intellectually immature.

@Kombai5 No, imbecile. You didn't make an argument so I didn't respond to one. "Tamil is older than Aramaic"? You mean the purported Brahmi inscriptions discovered in Sri Lanka? Those aren't older than Aramaic, first of all, and, more to the point, they aren't Tamil!

@LinusMixson You are just blabbering random things. Are you using AI generated arguments??.

You mean my feelings on letting a commitment to a neoreligious system you can't even beg off as having been born into rot your ability comprehend objective reality into complete garbage? Yeah, man. I do think that's disgusting shit. I'm saying that out loud. Go ahead and screenshot me all you want. It's fucking shameful.

@LinusMixson @Lib9860 Thanks for saying the quiet part out loud.

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The same with Baybayin and all Abugida scripts. Kawi is the direct ancestor of Baybayin and all PH scripts except for Jawi (which is descended from Arabic). Here's the lineage. 🇵🇭 ᜋᜄᜒᜅ᜔ ᜐ ᜉᜈᜓᜎᜆ᜔ ᜀᜌ᜔ ᜃᜉᜆᜒᜇ᜔ ᜈᜆᜒᜈ᜔ ᜀᜅ᜔ ᜁᜈ᜔ᜇᜓᜈᜒᜐᜒᜌ 🇮🇩

@juchkuduk @Lib9860 I can take it when Indians do it; they, at least, have their braindead troglodyte discursive environment to absorb some of the blame. But what are you? Some sort of white pagan? You are a fucking embarrassment to our race. Absolutely revolting, rodentine, subhuman shit.

I'm not an "Abrahamic supremacist," you imbecile. I would be delighted if Brahmi were indigenous; it's profound and awe-inspiring, but a bit tedious, that *every single living script in the world*, with the exception of Chinese, Japanese, and a couple recently-invented outliers, is part of the same family. I have no emotional investment in this one way or the other; I am simply a devotee of the truth. What you're showing here is a small selection from FOUR HUNDRED IVC GLYPHS that are hand-picked to resemble Brahmi glyphs with NO BASIS OTHER THAN VISUAL RESEMBLANCE WHATSOEVER. You are a fucking fool. Do you really think that the only reason someone would disagree with this idiotic theory is ethnoreligious pride? Is that the basal register of your little rat brain? What the fuck is wrong with you? And why are you still breathing my fucking air?

These are cherrypicked out of four hundred IVC symbols. There's no basis for their selection except that they were picked to look sort of like the Brahmi symbols. The Aramaic symbols, on the other hand, were picked on the basis of *known phonetic value*, and the letterform resemblance — not perfect, but definitely present — magically appears. Note the first four Semitic letters (Hebrew and Egyptian provided for further comparison, as well as Latin) and the Brahmi with the corresponding phonetic value: A B H E | L ------------------ 𐡀 𑀅 א 𓃾 | A 𐡁 𑀩 ב 𓉐 | B 𐡂 𑀕 ג 𓌙 | G 𐡃 𑀥 ד 𓇯 | D All are strikingly similar. In fact, if you were asked to choose an outlier here, you'd either say Egyptian (the unquestioned ancestor of Aramaic, Hebrew, and Latin) or Latin itself (an unquestioned descendant of Egyptian). Brahmi is barely more differentiated from Aramaic and Hebrew than they are from one another. This continues for the rest of the alphabet. Again, you can't do this with IVC because *it has no established reading.*

@LinusMixson Nah ,bramhi is similar to ivc see this

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oh my god lol

@factorydoge69 @robinson_c12435 @teortaxesTex I'm something of an Indophile and I feel incredibly, incredibly bad for the many totally sane Indians out there who have to live with the knowledge that their countrymen are up to demented humiliating bullshit every single day.

@LinusMixson @robinson_c12435 @teortaxesTex > india everytime

Hiding there cast system.

Because Imperial Aramaic is quite securely attested in the 6th c. BC, a solid 150 years before the somewhat non-consensus date you provide (although I do appreciate you not reaching back even further, and less justifiably, to, say, the 5th c. BC). Now, is it possible (as another commenter pointed out) that Brahmi descends from a cousin of Aramaic that was displaced from the record by its more successful relative? Sure. But are the Sri Lankan samples strong evidence of non-Phoenician descent? Certainly not.

@LinusMixson Aramaic to Brahmi was 19th century hypothesis that Brahmi was devised during Ashoka Maurya time ~240 -250BCE. But it was disproved over 25 years ago with the discovery of Brahmi writing in Sri Lanka that has been dated to as early as 450 BCE. Why hang onto obsolete theories?

No, I was just confirming that you don't think Aramaic is a Persian invention. In point of fact, Aramaic is attested in Iran about three centuries before the earliest date estimated for a sample of Brahmi, so the timeline actually works out quite nicely for Aramaic-Brahmi descent. So I take it you're talking about the Indus Valley Script?

@LinusMixson how do u think aramaic-brahmi theorist explain transmission of aramaic to brahmi? director thru mesopotamia? or maybe thru arabian peninsula? u haven't even read what the theory is yet here u are defending if.

@seeingmole I could believe that.

@LinusMixson Yes of course. It's derived from Khmer.

@neilalexanderw1 @KostyonkiLady @spandrell4 Sick, thank you so much.

@LinusMixson @KostyonkiLady @spandrell4 Yeah, very weak influence. Decent wikipedia article on the precedence of G. over C.: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relations…

Every single living writing system besides Chinese is descended from Egyptian through Phoenician.

@neilalexanderw1 @KostyonkiLady @spandrell4 Merger in a weak sense, I mean; primarily stylistic. In any event totally nuts and great to know.

@LinusMixson @KostyonkiLady @spandrell4 Not really; it’s just Greek with a few Hebrew-inspired symbols (more or less), e.g. ש = Ш, Щ, צ = Ц, Ч, some digraphs, e.g. two Ks = Ж, & small changes to Greek, e.g Я < Ѧ < Α + a line, etc.

@Saatvata @Lib9860 That is by far the most sane alternative anyone has posted here. Thank you, I really appreciate it, truly. I find Aramaic fairly convincing, myself, but a "ninth planet" abjad is entirely possible.

I think it derives from an earlier Near Eastern abjad closer to Phoenician and spread via trade contact with peninsular India. The existence of Kharoṣṭhī in the Northwest would be redundant if both scripts descended from Aramaic script and the Indus (and Indus grafitti) connection remains highly doubtful and speculative.