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@12leplusgrand @jDtheFreeman @TrueSlazac @Myonlychoice12 @Karl_Fuck_Uyama There are many people who say pressing blue is necessary even in cases in which everyone is an adult and sane. I like having that discussion better, but seems that the original intention is also the other discussion...
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@jDtheFreeman @TrueSlazac @Myonlychoice12 @ViewYoah50286 @Karl_Fuck_Uyama Do you not know what 'everyone in the world means' it's precisely because there will be ppl inadvertly pressing blue that this is a moral dilemma
If we exclude them then it's just a reading comprehension issue, press red for survival GG it's not even interesting as a debate
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@cheezwh25649020 A transitional state is temporary, but is the biggest and most developed state model in history. There is nothing wrong with this approach.

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@yondendoganist Herkese saygım var demişsin Taksim diyenler hariç saygın yok gibi devam etmişsin...
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@DeathsSunrise @jDtheFreeman @Myonlychoice12 @TrueSlazac @Karl_Fuck_Uyama I would think in terms of, "they have to go to the voting booth". A grandma with severe Alzheimer's would not do that, but a grandma who still has some of her marbles, would.
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@jDtheFreeman @Myonlychoice12 @ViewYoah50286 @TrueSlazac @Karl_Fuck_Uyama Even if you restrict it to people legally able to vote that still results in a population of people who might be mentally unwell or compromised who need rescuing.
Unless we’re just like, culling grandma’s out here.
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@ViewYoah50286 @TrueSlazac @Karl_Fuck_Uyama Sure, but my scenario was important to analyze this guy too. Some people just want to be in the blender just to be in the blender with other guys who want to be in the blender with other guys...
Would you really risk yourself to save them, if they're the only ones in danger?
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@InterspeciesFa1 @TrueSlazac @Karl_Fuck_Uyama I agree. But if around half of babies just happen to be there, the question loses meaning
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@ViewYoah50286 @TrueSlazac @Karl_Fuck_Uyama "Saving everyone" sounds nice, but it's an awful way to live. "Ensure the least number of people are willing to get into the blender" is ideal in that scenario.
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@GlitterBombKiki @jDtheFreeman @Myonlychoice12 @TrueSlazac @Karl_Fuck_Uyama The premise includes that everyone who pressed blue has taken the risk into account. Not that "their favorite color is blue and they didn't understand anything"
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@jDtheFreeman @Myonlychoice12 @TrueSlazac @ViewYoah50286 @Karl_Fuck_Uyama OP said everyone includes children, that's literally the point of the poll. It is meant to have you consider that the red option is guaranteed safety *with* the knowledge that people will definitely press blue, because there will never be 100% of "everyone". That's the premise.
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@InterspeciesFa1 @TrueSlazac @Karl_Fuck_Uyama Which is an interesting question. But if it was like "half the babies happened to jump in the blender because they don't know better", it ruins everything.
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@TrueSlazac @ViewYoah50286 @Karl_Fuck_Uyama Some people say they'd go into a blender even if everyone involved was an adult knew it was a blender, just because they're sure someone would go into a blender.
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@TrueSlazac @jDtheFreeman @Myonlychoice12 @Karl_Fuck_Uyama People have a much easier time punishing adults who act irrationally. If a 4 year old kills their 2 year old sibling, they don't get imprisoned. Not the same with a 24-22 situation.
Whether adults who pressed the blue button "deserve" death is an interesting question.
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not really, the blue position is to understand that some people will ultimately act irrationally so there is a moral duty on a societal scale to save them, the example of infant is useful as an extreme of that, but it's an extension of something we already see: a lot will press blue regardless of what reds say
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@TrueSlazac @jDtheFreeman @Myonlychoice12 @Karl_Fuck_Uyama You're missing the point of a really interesting thought experiment by doing this. You're functionally acting as the guy who says "I'd just pull the brakes in the trolley and kill no one".
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@ViewYoah50286 @jDtheFreeman @Myonlychoice12 @Karl_Fuck_Uyama it says "everyone" which by definition only refers to humans

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@TrueSlazac @jDtheFreeman @Myonlychoice12 @Karl_Fuck_Uyama My cat who pressed the blue button died oh no...
The original never said humans xDDD (I don't know if it did btw)
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@jDtheFreeman @Myonlychoice12 @ViewYoah50286 @Karl_Fuck_Uyama by the original framing it is, if you add variables then yeah the scenario changes, crazy idea
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@TrueSlazac @Karl_Fuck_Uyama But that's the one being discussed by most people. What's the correct course of action assuming "regular people" are the ones to press the button. Your opinion on that would be much more interesting. Instead you treat this as a "Would you kill %50 of the babies". Not the question
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@ViewYoah50286 @Karl_Fuck_Uyama if you add variables it's another question entirely
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@TrueSlazac @Karl_Fuck_Uyama There are versions like "All people who press the button are sane and understand the issue", but instead of talking about them, you resort to the literal interpretation.
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@Karl_Fuck_Uyama "nothing bad happens" except millions of infants pressing blue by pure chance who just have to die... just because ig
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@akillibidik48 Yani sırf toplum diyor diye öyle bakmamalı. Gerçekten kendisine ve mücadeleye zarar veriyorsa bir şey, o zaman kusurdur. Sigara bu yüzden bir kusur. Ama "burnunun şekli" bir kusur değil. Toplum öyle gibi davranabilir, komünistin buna direnmesi gerekir.
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@akillibidik48 Kendini geliştirmeye her zaman açık olmalı. Ama kendisine yüklenerek de değil. Mesela sigara içen biri yine kendini sevmeli, ama sigara içiyor olmasını sevmemeli, bırakmak için kendisine müdahale etmeli.
Bir de toplumun "kusur" dediği şeylere kusur olarak bakmamalı.
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@Xinustune3nokta @sevkiklc Bilmediğin konuda konuşuyorsan "aç öğren" denmesi kadar normal bir şey yok.
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@sevkiklc Bir Marksistle tartıştığımda en az 30 sayfa ödev veriyorlar. Teşekkür ederim, ama ben Thomas’tan başka okumuyorum
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Türevde dx ve dy 0 olmayan çok küçük sayılar olarak tanımlanır. Marx bunları sıfır alıp “e bu yanlış” diyor
Marxistler bütün tartışmalarda böyle. Tanımları kafalarına göre bozuyorlar, sonra anlatsanız da anlamak istemiyorlar
Kane 謝凱堯@kane
Marx thought calculus was fake because he thought he had disproven derivatives.
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@diyoniso Stalin buna karşı savaşanlardı. Bu bürokratik yapıyı ve devrimden kaçışı savunan klik Stalin'in üzerine basarak kendi iktidarını kurdu. Gizli Söylev boşuna verilmedi... Hepsini Stalin'e atıyorsunuz. Stalin buna karşı duranlardandı, eksikleri olduysa da tarafı belli.
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Bu ahrazlar hala stalinizmi doğuranın stalinin hataları olmadığını anlayamıyor. Nasıl ki alman sosyalistlerinin memurlaşması kautskyciliği doğurduysa sovyetlerin geri koşullarının yarattığı bürokratikleşme de stalinciliği doğuruyor. Hata leninizmde değil bunla savaşamayan partide
marmot@marmotunuz
Stalin üzerine çok ahkam kesiyorsun. Stalin hatalıysa, Lenin'i bunun dışında bırakamazsın! Stalin'in hataları, teorinin acmazlarından azade mi? Stalin, Leninizmi dogmatik biçimde savunmuş ve uygulamış. Trockistler, kulaklarının üzerine yatmayı severler.
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@Yasinkonusuyor Başka sol partilere karşı asgari düzeyde bile saygı göstermiyorlar. TKP'ye mesela her türlü şey söyleniyordu, ama en saçmalarından biri bu "Bizim Gazete Çevresi" muhabbetiydi. Aylarca da devam ettirdiler...
Hayır bizim de sevmediğimiz hareket çok, ama üslup bozmayı övmüyoruz.
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