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Robert Y. Chen

@therealRYC

PGY-3 @UW Psychiatry. Prev MD-PhD @WUSTL. Biomarker and drug discovery for psychiatry, starting with Schizophrenia. Dog Daddy x2 to Taro and Azuki.

Seattle, WA انضم Şubat 2020
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🚨 THE BIGGEST NEGATIVE RESULT IN PSYCHIATRY Psychedelics look like miracle cures for depression when compared to placebos. But a new meta-analysis asks: what if we compare them to open-label antidepressants? The massive psychedelic advantage vanishes 🧵
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Robert Y. Chen@therealRYC·
🚨 THE BIGGEST NEGATIVE RESULT IN PSYCHIATRY Psychedelics look like miracle cures for depression when compared to placebos. But a new meta-analysis asks: what if we compare them to open-label antidepressants? The massive psychedelic advantage vanishes 🧵
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Robert Y. Chen@therealRYC·
@RCarhartHarris Haha I get it, and I appreciate sober takes, it’s what I love about this platform
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My biggest worry is that clinicians will look at this result and say “why give a psychedelic when I could give a SRRI?” But anybody who has tried to psychedelic or taking care of folks who have tried psychedelics will tell you that they have rocket ship level impact on human consciousness, function and well-being
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@GeorgeKirov1 Yes, some bias. And it might bias toward worse response in psychedelics, to your point!
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George Kirov
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@therealRYC I am actually all for comparing them with antidepressants. But the results make no sense as we use them for people who don't respond to antidepressants. Some bias there?
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I think the pushback on a negative result framing highlights my point - that a core message of the analysis is that we have been fooling ourselves about the effect size on traditional placebo controlled studies. If we ran an open label trial of psychedelics and a SSRI and found no difference in effect but massive differences in dosing frequency , side effects, etc, that would be a negative result based on the primary endpoint. But many positives can come out from a negative result. That’s I guess my point - people assume negative result is a bad thing. To the exact contrary, science is about falsifying hypotheses. Hope that helps! TLDR negative results arent bad but everyone thinks they are
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Ben Stadler@TheBenStadler·
@therealRYC So at worst they have equal impact on depression but with dramatically fewer adverse effects and substantially fewer dosings and that is a huge negative result? You can’t be serious.
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@therealRYC Not being, allegedly, as effective as another treatment is not a negative result. How about side effects comparison?
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💡 Takeaways Talking to patients about this, people really WANT to try psychedelic-assisted therapy. That leads to the challenge of expectancy and "know-cebo". But is that really a bad thing? What are depression scales if not subjective ratings. What arguably matters more is the functional recovery patients experience - getting back to the life they want to live. This paper is a vital reality check. Psychedelics are active, effective treatments — but they aren't magic bullets vastly superior to what we already have. They just benefit from an incredibly strong expectancy and therapy wrapper. And that might be totally appropriate. Huge shoutout to @psyhbalazs and @QuantPsychiatry for this important work. Negative findings are often equally if not more important than hyped up positive ones. Lots to learn from the methodology here, which integrated Bayesian statistics, clever study design, and efficient utilization of existing data. Source: Williams et al. JAMA Psychiatry 2026 — doi.org/10.1001/jamaps…
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Robert Y. Chen@therealRYC·
@garrytan Wait does /codex invoke a Codex agent? Or just injects a set of instructions to review code similar to the way Codex does?
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