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Being inappropriate may not be the most moral thing but it’s not criminal. Clinton was elected twice and had massively more credible accusations against him. Eisenhower had a mistress. FDR had a mistress. JFK literally did cocaine and went through interns at the White House like candy. lol. Biden is sleazy and Harris when she was in her early 20s “dated” the original slick Willy, who was married and in his 60s and then essentially bankrolled her career. I’m interested in what policies will best serve the country not whether or not at some point in his time, he may have tried to kiss someone and they said no.

@Adam4004 @SarahLongwell25 @BillKristol I’ll yield. In the court of my brain, that guy has definitely engaged in form illicit sexual advances, in some form. That’s not based on any actual evidence, just observation of human behavior and pattern recognition.

Okay! But I gotta ask, since you seem concerned about sexual misconduct, have you met President Trump?

Inappropriate? Absolutely. Biden has been inappropriate. Harris was inappropriate. I imagine most people in their lives have had a few moments of being inappropriate. Being inappropriate is not criminal. Did you vote for Biden? I can go into all kinds of things where he was inappropriate. In fact, we could talk about the rape accusation against him, which I honestly don’t believe occurred, but which ironically had more evidence than the claim against Trump. Lol

@Adam4004 @SarahLongwell25 @BillKristol If you think Donald Trump has never been sexually “inappropriate” with women - you are incredibly naive. Or in a cult.

Using your logic you voted for a rapist. Who also happens to be a jerk. The difference is I can actually discuss the facts on both sides and all you can do is better and ran at others. Honestly, I have to admit we actually love people like you in terms of being involved in politics. You are the classic Karen and Dan don’t even realize how absurd you look to people who are actually just a normal. You can’t imagine anyone disagreeing with you, and they must be evil, and the world rests upon whether or not people agree with your silly political views. Please keep it up for us

@Adam4004 @nonconformant1 @SarahLongwell25 @BillKristol Yes, you voted for a jerk. Fuck off and own it

No. I certainly voted for him in the general election, but not in either of the primaries. He’s a populist. Personally I think he’s a jerk, but I certainly support more policies on the Republican side than I do the Democrat side. Again, I dislike pointing out the hypocrisy of people like you. I also like to let you express your hatred and show why people like you honestly were one of the reasons he got elected again and won the popular vote. You will never understand this, but the irony is that the caricature you have of the maga zealot actually fits people like you in such a way that you have alienated independent and moderate voters

@Adam4004 @nonconformant1 @SarahLongwell25 @BillKristol You are a Trumper. And you’re partially responsible for the shit we’re in. So as I said, fuck off and take your sociopathic, adjudicated rapist with you.

But you’re right. It’s totally logical to believe that a woman whose social media posts claim that men cannot say no to sex and are quite bizarre and has said that rape is sexy, who calls her pets by explicit sexual references while claiming to have been raped by seven different men, most of which are famous including a mafia leader who had emails with her friends saying and laughing about how they would cook up a scheme to get Trump is telling the truth. It’s totally OK for someone to say that they can’t even remember the exact year or even the time of year, so that no witnesses and no defense can be built but then in her book famously claims she kept a dress with his DNA on it and still had it and had her lawyer try to demand a personal DNA sample to be given not to the courts, but to her personal lawyer… then when this case came up, refused to present the dress and had the judge disallow the jury from hearing about it or hearing about the fact that the dress she claimed to have all those years didn’t even exist for several years beyond the timeframe that she claimed this occurred. Should I go on? Would you think that was fair to any person if his name wasn’t Trump?

She’s not going to see hardly any money and she could’ve done both. You can literally lodge a criminal complaint and also sue someone after that in civil court. In fact, your case is even better if you have a criminal conviction. The reason she chose not to do the criminal conviction is because in an actual criminal case you don’t have the same rules, which means that you actually have to present evidence, and the judge has to allow the exculpatory items I noted to be allowed to be presented

What evidence in the case are these findings that you claim exist? For example, the judge did not allow the emails between her and her friend who testified that she had told her which noted that they would cook up a scheme to get Trump. The judge did not allow the fact that the famous dress she claimed to exist with DNA did not exist in the time period. She claimed this occurred. I can go on and on with numerous things that show that she is quite literally mentally unwell, which is why major media outlets will not do live interviews with her as she is bizarre beyond belief.

@Goon_Actual_ @Pmdiet13 @Adam4004 @SarahLongwell25 @BillKristol I do, I wrote it purposefully for the sake of engagement. Based on the findings of that case, it’s reasonable to infer he engaged in some form of sexual misconduct, beyond a reasonable doubt.

It wasn’t inferred beyond a reasonable doubt. Literally the definitions are that if you think it’s 51% likely that this could’ve occurred you can vote in that direction. Given that the judge allowed none of her lies or the fact that she is a serial accuser who has literally accused seven major men of raping her, including claiming a mafia leader, raped her and didn’t allow any of the major lies such as the one about the dress to be presented to the jury. All they had was her claim. The judge then allowed her attorney to bring in two women to say that Trump had tried to force himself on them, even though no evidence was presented, and they had zero knowledge of her case. Something that would never be allowed, and which the judge did not allow in terms of attacking her character

@PassTheMic6 @Adam4004 @SarahLongwell25 @BillKristol Okay, it’s inferred beyond a reasonable doubt.

@Terminal4ntz @SarahLongwell25 @BillKristol The legislature had lifted that statute so that they could bring civil or criminal cases for 30 days She did not bring one criminally because it had zero chance in a criminal court

@Adam4004 @SarahLongwell25 @BillKristol The statute of limitations, no? Sexual assault is under reported in fear of the consequences.

A jury decided based on the limited information that it was more likely. I wonder if we allowed a woman to testify that you raped her and brought in a couple of women that had no knowledge whatsoever of the case to also say that you’re a horrible person if a jury would think that it was more likely than not that you were capable of doing what the person claimed. You would not be allowed to present any exculpatory evidence showing any of the lies and false information of your accuser. I bet you’d be really good with that and we could just say a local jury decided lol I’m not defending him. I don’t even really like the guy. I’m simply noting the actual facts that you left out for some strange reason. It’s almost like your hatred for him is so obsessive that you can’t imagine being wrong.

@Adam4004 A jury decided. That's good enough for me. But go ahead, defend him.

By the way, I’m quite fine. If I thought he was actually guilty of rape, I wouldn’t vote for him. The irony to me is that in terms of actual evidence there was more evidence that Biden raped Tara Reade. I didn’t believe that he did so either, but there was at least more evidence presented. But you’re right. The majority of the people voted for him over Harris and all of them, of course are evil or need help because they don’t hold your view and don’t believe a crazy mentally ill woman who calls her pets by explicit sexual names and thinks that rape is sexy in her own words Thank you for clarifying that for everyone

Again she claimed he assaulted her and addressed that didn’t even exist and claimed to have DNA, but when they tried to have that test tested by the court instead of her personal attorney suddenly it was no longer available. The dress didn’t even exist in the time period she claimed the ass assault occurred, even though she couldn’t even name the exact year that it occurred. I haven’t said he’s cool. I’ve noted the evidence that you conveniently left out because you can’t stand the guy. I wonder if the jury would’ve thought differently about her friend that testified she told him about this had they known about the emails between the two of them saying they would cook up a scheme to get Trump. I wonder if they would have thought differently had they known that she’s a serial accuser of men claiming that seven different major figures have raped her including a major mafia leader. Lol. I can literally go on and on with things that the jury was never allowed to see even though this judge whose daughter was making money off of this case allowed the lawyer for her to bring in two people to simply claim that Trump had done things to them, even though they had zero knowledge or any relevance in terms of evidence for this case But you don’t care about any of those things.

And yes. If he actually did what she claimed it could be considered rape. The problem is, she couldn’t even name the year and had numerous lies. The judge did not allow the jury to hear about. That’s why I pretty much only partisan Zelis, who are obsessed with politics actually believe her. There is a reason why she’s not making the major media rounds. After her rape is sexy comment which I happen to actually watch the fact that she is quite literally mentally ill and obsessed with sex to the point that she names her pets bizarre sexual names isn’t really something that the partisans want people to see. But again, none of that matters to you because you simply hate Trump, and this is just another way to try to attack him personally

And now let’s discuss what you left out. The jury was not allowed to hear any of the exculpatory evidence such as the fact that she is a serial accuser of powerful men making her either the most unlucky woman in the United States or mentally unwell. They weren’t allowed to see the email from her friend saying they would cook up a scheme to get Trump. They weren’t allowed to know that she lied about her dress. I can go on and on. Essentially all they were allowed to see was her claims and the judge allowed the attorney for EJC to bring in two women who claimed that Trump forced himself on them, even though they had zero evidence regarding this actual case. But I’m sure none of that matters to you because it’s Trump and you don’t like him so it’s OK

@whatsittoya288 @nonconformant1 @SarahLongwell25 @BillKristol I’m not a Trumper and it’s sad how you only happen to believe women when it’s convenient. Again, you don’t care about women and rape. If someone politically agrees more with you than a rape pack accusation, it’s just mildly troubling. Lol

@Adam4004 @nonconformant1 @SarahLongwell25 @BillKristol Fuck off, Trumper.

He was found liable by a civil jury and a defamation case that was only allowed to hear her claims regarding the actual events. They were not allowed to hear the several areas she lied about nor her past history of serial accusations, including how she was raped by a mafia leader. The judgment is under appeal and will likely be greatly reduced

@Adam4004 Wait, wut. He was found liable by a jury. And ordered to pay punitive damages. That seems pretty straightforward.

@bethmeredithva @PassTheMic6 @hbt_ft @SarahLongwell25 @BillKristol @grok If that person is being serious. I think it’s a good thing to remove us from this thread and DM each other.

@PassTheMic6 @hbt_ft @Adam4004 @SarahLongwell25 @BillKristol @grok Whoa what ? My ex husband ? Did what ? Do you know him? He’s not a good person but I’d like to hear more when was this? Where do you live ?

@Cryptokrat69 @hbt_ft @SarahLongwell25 @BillKristol After quoting something from the files that no one considered credible, and before I could allow Grok to explain to this conspiracy nut, why it was not considered credible, they quickly blocked me lol

@Cryptokrat69 @hbt_ft @SarahLongwell25 @BillKristol So essentially, you just read conspiracy theories online and believe everything that you’re told. OK. Lol

That’s about the level of education and response I expect from someone who doesn’t actually examine the evidence and when it’s someone she doesn’t mind politically just finds those rape accusations, troubling. Are you aware that Tara actually had more evidence than EJC No. Because it’s about politics for you not about women. Stop pretending like you care about the women.

@Adam4004 @nonconformant1 @SarahLongwell25 @BillKristol Fuck off, Trumper.

No. He was found liable for defamation in a civil case where it was literally the word of a woman who has accused seven other men, including claiming that she was raped by a mafia boss and another major famous person. Zero evidence was presented, and zero exculpatory evidence was allowed, including her bizarre, sexual statements and serial accusations. That’s the reason why I rejected her claim. I took time to look at the evidence she presented and the fact that she lied about her dress and that literally emails between her and her friend noting that they would cook up a scheme to get Trump. We’re also available. Perhaps I’m wrong, but I’m basing it on the evidence. Apparently only you can find evidence troubling though.

@Adam4004 @SarahLongwell25 @BillKristol Um, honey, he was ALSO found liable for sexual abuse. Go read the judgement. The fact that he was found guilty makes the rest of what you typed obviously your attempt at justifying supporting that monster. Why anyone likes that orange creep I will never understand