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Anonymous One

Anonymous One

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Anonymous One@Anonymousfor545·
@FunkinForNow @bourema_imad Aisha also said Abu Bakr did not meet Fatima after Fadak incident, yet we have authentic reports showing Abu Bakr meeting Fatima before she died. Aisha quotes from the Torah a description of Muhammed (saw), but mistakenly attributes it to the gospel Aisha can make mistakes
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Ayoub Al-Funki
Ayoub Al-Funki@FunkinForNow·
@bourema_imad 1. Puts the whole sahihayn in question. 2. Questions the testimony of Aishah (ra) 3. Waffles about scholars questioning the sahihayn 4. Throws 2015s cope arguments
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Ayoub Al-Funki
Ayoub Al-Funki@FunkinForNow·
He has been astray for a looooooooonnggg time
Mohammed Hijab@mohammed_hijab

In the broader scholarly discourse concerning the historical details of Sayyidah Aisha radiyallahu anha at the time of her marriage and its consummation the narration appearing in the Sahihayn that places these events at the ages of six and nine respectively remains the position affirmed by the vast majority of classical authorities. Yet the present discussion is strictly methodological in nature and does not endorse any alternative chronological proposal such as the figure of eighteen sometimes advanced in modern academic analyses of the sirah and maghazi literature. The sole purpose here is to illustrate through the words of the ulema themselves that the layman Neo Salafi assertion namely that every single narration contained within Sahih al Bukhari and Sahih Muslim must be accepted without the slightest academic reservation is not the nuanced position upheld by the Salaf or by the broader Sunni tradition of hadith scholarship. On matters that are purely historical and biographical rather than constitutive of legal rulings or articles of creed the classical authorities have always permitted a measured degree of critical engagement. The foundational distinction drawn by the early muhaddithun is instructive in this regard. Imam Abd al Rahman ibn Mahdi a towering figure of the second century and teacher of Imam Ahmad ibn Hanbal articulated the principle with characteristic clarity: “When reports reach us from the Prophet peace be upon him concerning the lawful and the prohibited and the legal rulings we are severe with the chains of transmission and we scrutinise the narrators. But when reports concern the virtues of actions their rewards and punishments or permissible exhortations and invocations we show leniency with the chains.” This statement recorded by al Hakim in al Mustadrak and echoed in al Suyuti’s Tadrib al Rawi reflects a consensus among the Salaf that historical and biographical akhbar precisely the category into which the age of Aisha falls allow greater flexibility than those deployed for deriving ahkam. Imam Ahmad ibn Hanbal expressed a similar view when he remarked that extreme strictness is reserved for what pertains to halal and haram while leniency befits reports of virtues stories and narratives. On purely historical questions therefore the acceptance or rejection of a particular report after due academic examination has always been far less consequential than on matters touching usul al din or fiqh.Even within the Sahihayn themselves the classical tradition never treated every narration as immune to scholarly discussion. Consider first the muallaqat those suspended reports in which Imam al Bukhari deliberately omits part or all of the opening chain for the sake of brevity. While the overwhelming majority of these are corroborated elsewhere in the Sahih with complete isnads a significant subset approximately one hundred and sixty unique instances stand alone in suspended form. Al Hafiz Ibn Hajar al Asqalani devoted an entire monograph Taghliq al Taliq to tracing their external supports and evaluating their authenticity according to rigorous criteria. He and other luminaries such as Ibn al Salah and al Dhahabi subjected these reports to independent scrutiny demonstrating that their inclusion in the Sahih did not exempt them from further verification. This labour alone refutes any notion that the mere presence of a narration in al Bukhari rendered further academic inquiry impermissible.A still more pointed illustration emerges from the work of Imam al Daraqutni whose Kitab al Tatabbu systematically examined roughly seventy eight narrations in Sahih al Bukhari one hundred in Sahih Muslim and thirty two common to both. His critique focused on subtle ilal hidden defects in precision of transmission inversion of wording or minor interruptions without ever impugning the overall stature of the two collections. Later authorities such as Imam al Nawawi engaged these points directly sometimes accepting and sometimes rebutting them yet always within the framework of legitimate scholarly discourse. Such exchanges were regarded as the natural outworking of the science of hadith not as an assault upon the Sahihayn. Concrete examples of these ilal include his observation concerning a narration in Sahih al Bukhari on the topic of Heaven and Hell complaining to Allah where one particular chain transmitted by Ubaydallah ibn Sad inverts the order of divine destiny in its wording an issue of narrator precision that later critics such as Abu Hasan al Qabisi also highlighted. Another instance involves reports that al Daraqutni judged were not transmitted in fully mawsul form as presented but only through specific limited routes such as those of Makhramah ibn Bukayr or Abu Burdah thereby introducing a subtle discontinuity in the chain that required separate verification.Nor was this critical spirit confined to earlier centuries. Shaykh Nasir al Din al Albani whose methodology is frequently invoked by those who champion an uncompromising view of the Sahihayn himself acknowledged that his own research led him to conclude that certain narrations within these collections fall short of the sahih or even hasan standard. In a recorded statement he explained: “Allah the Exalted has granted me firmness in the study of Hadith I applied this study to some of the Hadiths that appear in Sahih al Bukhari. Thus I found that there are some Hadiths that are not considered to be on the grade of Hasan much less the level of Sahih in Sahih al Bukhari not to mention Sahih Muslim.” He reiterated that “during my knowledge based research I passed over some Hadiths in Sahih al Bukhari and Sahih Muslim and it was revealed to me that there are some Hadiths that are weak.” He reinforced this position by quoting Imam al Shafi'i who stated “Allah didn't want to complete anything except His Book.” Al Albani’s position was not a wholesale rejection of the Sahihayn but a continuation of the classical practice of evaluating individual reports on their merits even when they appear in the most authoritative compilations as heard in his lecture available at youtube.com/watch?v=9VuoM-… same principle of critical engagement is evident when one examines mawquf reports statements attributed to the Companions rather than directly to the Prophet peace be upon him that are nonetheless included in Sahih al Bukhari. A particularly illuminating example concerns Sayyidah Aisha’s declaration that no one should believe the Messenger of Allah urinated while standing for she had never seen him do so except while sitting. Despite the sound chain supporting this mawquf transmission the scholars of the ummah did not accept her testimony as an absolute and unqualified rule. It stands in direct tension with the explicit report of Hudhayfah ibn al Yaman in the same Sahih al Bukhari who personally witnessed the Prophet urinate while standing during a journey at a place of refuse. Rather than discarding one narration or the other the hadith scholars undertook detailed reconciliation concluding that Aisha spoke of the Prophet’s habitual practice in the domestic setting while Hudhayfah recorded a specific concession made under the necessity of travel. Her sentiment though conveyed through a sound chain was therefore qualified and not taken at face value. This case demonstrates that even a soundly transmitted statement from Aisha within the Sahihayn is subjected to scrutiny cross referencing and qualification rather than uncritical endorsement.This pattern of scholarly engagement extends directly to other reports transmitted by Aisha herself in Sahih al Bukhari including the well known narration concerning her age at the time of marriage and consummation. Just as her mawquf testimony on the Prophet’s manner of urination was weighed against parallel evidence rather than accepted at face value so too are her statements about her own early life placed in conversation with additional historical indicators. In one narration she describes herself as a young girl who had not yet committed much of the Qur’an to memory when Surah al Qamar was revealed placing the event in the context of the early Medinan period after the Hijrah. This is juxtaposed by scholars with the chronological data surrounding her sister Asma bint Abi Bakr who was consistently reported to be ten years her senior. Asma’s own death at the advanced age of one hundred in the year seventy three after the Hijrah supplies an independent timeline that some classical and later analysts have brought to bear on the broader question of Aisha’s birth year and the precise dating of the marriage. In yet another narration Sahih al Bukhari 2297 Aisha states that since she reached the age when she could remember things she has seen her parents worshipping according to the right faith of Islam and she recounts events from the period of early persecution before the Hijrah including Abu Bakr’s attempted emigration to Ethiopia. This recollection of conscious memory from the pre Hijrah era implies that she must have been well beyond the age of one at the time of those events yet under the strict traditional calculation tied to consummation at nine shortly after the Hijrah she would have been no more than an infant during that persecution. The point is not to reject any single report but to illustrate that the ummah’s hadith scholars have routinely subjected even Aisha’s own transmissions soundly chained as they are to this kind of comparative historical analysis exactly as they did with her statement on the Prophet’s urination. The presence of such ikhtilaf within the pages of the Sahihayn themselves shows that academic discussion of these details has always been part of the Sunni tradition.Comparable caution appears in cases involving transmissions that carry Israelite content. A striking instance is the narration found in Sahih Muslim describing the days of creation land on Saturday mountains on Monday and so forth which certain major authorities including Imam al Bukhari and Yahya ibn Ma’in explicitly identified not as a statement of the Prophet but as originating from Ka’b al Ahbar the learned Jewish convert. Despite an apparently sound chain the content itself prompted its reclassification away from the Prophetic corpus. In Sahih al Bukhari itself hadith 7361 Muawiyah radiyallahu anhu remarks of Ka’b that he was among the most truthful of those who transmit from the People of the Book yet sometimes his words turned out to be false. Such examples underscore that even reports supported by strong chains were not immune to rejection or qualification when historical and biographical scrutiny revealed Israelite influence or internal inconsistencies.It is also important to recognise why many of the classical scholars of the past did not delve more deeply into this particular historical question. In their time there was simply little impetus or external pressure to do so the age of Aisha was not a major point of polemical attack against the Prophet peace be upon him or Islam as it has become in certain modern contexts. Had a scholar of the calibre of al Hafiz Ibn Hajar al Asqalani been aware that this matter would one day constitute one of the primary lines of attack upon the character of the Holy Prophet peace be upon him it is entirely conceivable that he and others would have approached the issue with even greater scrutiny and produced a more exhaustive analysis.In sum the tradition of the Salaf and the classical Sunni muhaddithun has consistently maintained that rigorous academic discussion of individual narrations even those appearing in the Sahihayn remains both permissible and necessary particularly when the material in question belongs to the domain of history and biography. Such discussion in no way undermines the overarching reliability of these collections nor does it constitute rejection of the Sunnah as a whole. Applied to the historical question of Sayyidah Aisha’s age any conclusion reached through sincere evidence based inquiry whatever that conclusion may be carries no implication whatsoever for a Muslim’s aqeedah. It remains a matter of ikhtilaf in the realm of akhbar not a challenge to the foundations of iman. This is not a moral issue the Prophet’s marriage to Aisha fourteen hundred years ago is very much fully defensible within its historical cultural and revelatory context. Rather the discussion serves to show those who disbelieve in Islam that even if they hold a strong view on the perceived immorality of this practice it does not undermine the religion itself. The ummah’s scholars have always distinguished between what touches the core of religion and what pertains to the details of sirah on the latter scholarly difference has been tolerated without the slightest accusation of deviation. May Allah grant us all the guidance to pursue knowledge with integrity and to preserve the unity of the community.

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Anonymous One@Anonymousfor545·
@Maina1674363 @Alghurabaaaaaa I guess there is different ways of reading history and what happened. From what I studied, the battle of Camel was not clear and seems as if it was unintended battle. However, Battle of Siffin was definitely intentional, and there is no way of defending Muawiyah for this
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zāād al-Ma’aād
zāād al-Ma’aād@Alghurabaaaaaa·
The ten companions that are promised Jannah : 1. Abu Bakr as-Siddiq (رضي الله عنه) 2. Umar ibn al-Khattab (رضي الله عنه) 3. Uthman ibn Affan (رضي الله عنه) 4. Ali ibn Abi Talib (رضي الله عنه) 5. Talha ibn Ubaydullah (رضي الله عنه) 6. Zubayr ibn al-Awwam (رضي الله عنه) 7. Abdur Rahman ibn Awf (رضي الله عنه) 8. Sa'd ibn Abi Waqqas (رضي الله عنه) 9. Sa'id ibn Zayd (رضي الله عنه) 10. Abu Ubaydah ibn al-Jarrah (رضي الله عنه)
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Anonymous One@Anonymousfor545·
@Maina1674363 @Alghurabaaaaaa Not true. They went to Basra with Aisha to rally support to avenge Uthman. They had no intention of fighting Ali, otherwise they would have gone straight to Medina to confront him Kharijites in the ranks of Imam Ali's army started a battle after both parties agreed to unite
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Tapir@Maina1674363·
@Anonymousfor545 @Alghurabaaaaaa They are Nakithiin. They initiated the war. They lured Aisha into joining them. They matched to Basra to attack Ali (r.a). They are among the munafiquun because they broke the promise. Muawiyyah son of Abu Sufyan and his son Yazid are the worst.
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Anonymous One@Anonymousfor545·
@AlDonFodio Agreed, except for Muawiyah We should withhold judgement on him, and allow Allah to judge him. There is a huge list of alleged terrible crimes he commits, that if 1 were true, his iman would be called to question
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Al Don Fodio
Al Don Fodio@AlDonFodio·
There’s nothing wrong with hating: - Yazīd bin Mu’āwiyah - Abd al-Malik bin Marwān - Hajjaj bin Yusuf There’s nothing wrong with loving: - Mu’āwiyah bin Abi Sufyan ra - Hussein ra - Abdullah bin Zubayr ra - ‘Umar bin ‘Abdul-Azīz rh
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@Maina1674363 @Alghurabaaaaaa Talha tried to stop the fighting and got killed. Zubayr walked away as soon as the fighting started. Both never intended to fight Ali (R.A), and Battle of Camel was never meant to happen (kharijites started the fight) The same cannot be said about Muawiyah at Siffin though...
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Tapir@Maina1674363·
@Alghurabaaaaaa No Bilal whose Adhan voice was heard in Jannah by the Prophet Swallallaahu aleyhi wasallam? How can Talha and Zubair who initiated the war against Ali ibn Abu Twalib (r.a) enter Paradise without hisaab? They are the leaders of fitnah. That hadith should not be accepted
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Anonymous One@Anonymousfor545·
@paleohanafi @TheMuslimTheist And there's more. Sincerely seek the truth and don't parrot pies and propaganda to suit your agenda. I believe Muawiyah was a Muslim and companion, but his uprightness should be questioned, and we leave it to Allah to deal with him, like he deals with all of us
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Anonymous One@Anonymousfor545·
@paleohanafi @TheMuslimTheist There are strong allegations he may have poisoned Imam Hassan He gets Hujr Ibn Adi and his son, and other Ali supporters killed, because they refused to curse Imam Ali He doesn't punish ruthless governors like Busr Ibn Abi Artat for committing mass killings in Yemen
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Anonymous One@Anonymousfor545·
@paleohanafi @TheMuslimTheist The level is stupidity is on another level Muawiyah as ruler allowed Imam Ali to be rebuked on the minbar across the caliphate, and had no problems with his governors like Marwan backbiting someone as great as Ali But apparently you are a hypocrite for criticing Muawiyah 🤦‍♂️
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حمزة الحنفي@paleohanafi·
@TheMuslimTheist okay so you’re agreeing with me lol, it’s not far off to say that someone living at such time and who met such people who had knowledge of such event now knows of the event. the same thing with these tab’in and those who were afflicted with nasb
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Anonymous One@Anonymousfor545·
@alyemenimomo Battle of Camel was an unintentional battle, where kharijis in Imam Ali's rank started the battle without Ali's authorization. However, Muawiyah clearly rebels and transgresses against Caliph Ali in the Battle of Siffin. There is no defending the indefensible in this case
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الحرازي
الحرازي@alyemenimomo·
Quoted from Usul Al-Din by Abu Mansur Al-Baghdadi Al-Ash'ari
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الحرازي@alyemenimomo·
"Our companions did Ijma' on the fact that Ali was correct in fighting the "People of the Camel" and in fighting the companions of Mu'awiya in Siffin. And they said that those who fought him in Basra were mistaken. They also said regarding A'isha, Talha and Al-Zubayr: they...
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Anonymous One@Anonymousfor545·
@ProjectGuiding @Jdxdd1356 @HarounKanj This makes the idea that it's always acceptable to request something from any entity that fulfills the 3 conditions of being alive, present, and able, as incorrect, because without realising, you have made these specific angels all hearing, even if you deny they are all hearing
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Anonymous One@Anonymousfor545·
@ProjectGuiding @Jdxdd1356 @HarounKanj Asking Angels to help you is a very dangerous belief, because it introduces the innovation that angels can hear your request, and if multiple people ask the angels simultaneously, it is an indirect way of saying that angels are all hearing, because they respond to each request
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Project Guiding Light
Project Guiding Light@ProjectGuiding·
The only way to deal with such Zanadiqah, at least online. In person, their prescribed punishment would probably be a bit more colorful.
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@hashimiyy_ @tempkashmir @ahmad__141 Marwan the noble sahabi 😂😂😂 His father was exiled. No evidence he met the prophet He kills the sahabi Talha from behind at Jamal, rebuked Ali every Friday sermon as governor of Medina, and commits khuruj against Abdullah Ibn Zubayr who was caliph You are Delusional mate
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Ibn ‘Abdullāh al-Hāshimī
Al-Zuhrī used to say, when mentioning ʿAlī ibn al-Ḥusayn: “He was the most upright (balanced) of his household, the best of them in obedience, and the most beloved of them to Marwān ibn al-Ḥakam and ʿAbd al-Malik ibn Marwān.” [al-Ṭabaqāt al-Kubrā by Ibn Saʿd 5/215]
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@GodLogic_GL Islam confirms the historicity of crucifixion as it says it appeared to the people, meaning people would transmit he was crucified Before the Qurans revelation, whoever believed in the crucifixion and not it's vicarious atonement implications, like the disciples, would be fine
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Anonymous One@Anonymousfor545·
@GodLogic_GL In Christianity, Paul uses the crucifixion to decieve the world (vicarious atonement) In Islam, which the true disciples followed, the crucifixion and resurrection were just signs of Jesus's Messiaship, not for vicarious atonement which they would view as heresy
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GodLogic_GL@GodLogic_GL·
In Islam, Allah used the crucifixion to deceive the world. In Christianity, the true God used the crucifixion to save the world.
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@Baginssis @hashimiyy_ He is very dishonest. Ali clearly guarded the prophet at Ubud. He also lied to most of my responses with regards to the crimes of Muawiya
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علی
علی@Baginssis·
@hashimiyy_ It's bukhari 4075 you dumb dumb man , yes run away while whole ummah knows that Ali r..a defended the prophet in uhud.
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The Guards of the Prophet ﷺ •Abū Bakr al-Ṣiddīq •Saʿd ibn Abī Waqqāṣ •al-Zubayr ibn al-ʿAwwām •Saʿd ibn Muʿādh •Muḥammad ibn Maslamah al-Anṣārī •al-Mughīrah ibn Shuʿbah •Bilāl ibn Rabāḥ al-Ḥabashī •ʿAbbād ibn Bishr •Abū Ayyūb al-Anṣārī •ʿAbdullāh ibn Masʿūd •Abū Qatādah al-Anṣārī •Anas ibn Abī Marthad al-Ghanawī May Allah ﷻ be pleased with them.
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Scribes of the Prophet ﷺ •Abū Bakr al-Ṣiddīq •ʿUmar ibn al-Khaṭṭāb •ʿUthmān ibn ʿAffān •ʿAlī ibn Abī Ṭālib •al-Zubayr ibn al-ʿAwwām •ʿĀmir ibn Fuhayrah •ʿAmr ibn al-ʿĀṣ •Ubayy ibn Kaʿb •ʿAbd Allāh ibn al-Arqam •Thābit ibn Qays ibn Shammās •Ḥanẓalah ibn al-Rabīʿ al-Usayyidī •al-Mughīrah ibn Shuʿbah •ʿAbd Allāh ibn Rawāḥah •Khālid ibn al-Walīd •Khālid ibn Saʿīd ibn al-ʿĀṣ •Muʿāwiyah ibn Abī Sufyān •Zayd ibn Thābit May Allah ﷻ be pleased with them.
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