Chris Smith

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Chris Smith

Chris Smith

@Coverage_Critic

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Chris Smith
Chris Smith@Coverage_Critic·
@natseckatrina Two questions: 1. Do you think the historical record with domestic mass surveillance since ~2000 reveals weaknesses in "lawful" as a standard? 2. Would you characterize Snowden's actions in making his revelations as "the process in action" or him stepping outside the process?
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NatSecKatrina
NatSecKatrina@natseckatrina·
A lot of the concerns about the government's "all lawful use" language seem to stem from mistrust that government will follow the laws. At the same time, people believe that Anthropic took an important stand by insisting on contract language around their redlines. We cannot have it both ways. We cannot say that the government cannot be trusted to interpret laws and contracts the right way, but also agree that Anthropic’s policy redlines, in a contract, would have been effective. This is why our approach has been: Let the democratic process decide on the legality and proper use question. The fact that people can even say that the gov has made mistakes in the past is the process in action. The fact that we are having this discussion on twitter is part of the process. Create a reasonable contractual framework that guides expectations and the relationship, just as much if not more than the rules themselves. And on top of this, have the ability to build the models the way we think is safe, along with cleared FDEs to do the real world work in partnership.
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Chris Smith@Coverage_Critic·
In the same breath, Hegseth demands access for "any LAWFUL purpose" and shows why that standard is dangerous Designating Anthropic a “supply-chain risk” requires stretching existing law far beyond its original purpose. If that’s "lawful", the word doesn’t mean much
Secretary of War Pete Hegseth@SecWar

This week, Anthropic delivered a master class in arrogance and betrayal as well as a textbook case of how not to do business with the United States Government or the Pentagon. Our position has never wavered and will never waver: the Department of War must have full, unrestricted access to Anthropic’s models for every LAWFUL purpose in defense of the Republic. Instead, @AnthropicAI and its CEO @DarioAmodei, have chosen duplicity. Cloaked in the sanctimonious rhetoric of “effective altruism,” they have attempted to strong-arm the United States military into submission - a cowardly act of corporate virtue-signaling that places Silicon Valley ideology above American lives. The Terms of Service of Anthropic’s defective altruism will never outweigh the safety, the readiness, or the lives of American troops on the battlefield. Their true objective is unmistakable: to seize veto power over the operational decisions of the United States military. That is unacceptable. As President Trump stated on Truth Social, the Commander-in-Chief and the American people alone will determine the destiny of our armed forces, not unelected tech executives. Anthropic’s stance is fundamentally incompatible with American principles. Their relationship with the United States Armed Forces and the Federal Government has therefore been permanently altered. In conjunction with the President's directive for the Federal Government to cease all use of Anthropic's technology, I am directing the Department of War to designate Anthropic a Supply-Chain Risk to National Security. Effective immediately, no contractor, supplier, or partner that does business with the United States military may conduct any commercial activity with Anthropic. Anthropic will continue to provide the Department of War its services for a period of no more than six months to allow for a seamless transition to a better and more patriotic service. America’s warfighters will never be held hostage by the ideological whims of Big Tech. This decision is final.

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Chris Smith@Coverage_Critic·
We've seen this film before w/ mass surveillance Unelected bureaucrats called the shots. Laws got contorted in maximally permissive ways. Efforts to get details disclosed to elected members of Congress were met with lies told under oath
Palmer Luckey@PalmerLuckey

This gets to the core of the issue more than any debate about specific terms. Do you believe in democracy? Should our military be regulated by our elected leaders, or corporate executives? Seemingly innocuous terms from the latter like "You cannot target innocent civilians" are actually moral minefields that lever differences of cultural tradition into massive control. Who is a civilian and not? What makes them innocent or not? What does it mean for them to be a "target" vs collateral damage? Existing policy and law has very clear answers for these questions, but unelected corporations managing profits and PR will often have a very different answer. Imagine if a missile company tried to enforce the above policy, that their product cannot be used to target innocent civilians, that they can shut off access if elected leaders decide to break those terms. Sounds, good, right? Not really - in addition to the value judgement problems I list above, you also have to account for questions like: -What level of information, classified and otherwise, does the corporation receive that would allow them to make these determinations? How much leverage would they have to demand more? -What if an elected President merely threatens a dictator with using our weapons in a certain way, ala Madman Theory/MAD? Is the threat seen as empty because the dictator knows the corporate executives will cut off the military? Is the threat enough to trigger the cutoff? How might either of those determinations vary if the current corporate executive happens to like the dictator or dislike the President? -At what level of confidence does the cutoff trigger, both in writing and in reality? The fact that this is a debate over AI does not change the underlying calculus. The same problems apply to definitions and use of ethically fraught but important capabilities like surveillance systems or autonomous weapons. It is easy to say "But they will have cutouts to operate with autonomous systems for defensive use!", but you immediately get into the same issues and more - what is autonomous? What is defensive? What about defending an asset during an offensive action, or parking a carrier group off the coast of a nation that considers us to be offensive? At the end of the day, you have to believe that the American experiment is still ongoing, that people have the right to elect and unelect the authorities making these decisions, that our imperfect constitutional republic is still good enough to run a country without outsourcing the real levers of power to billionaires and corpos and their shadow advisors. I still believe. And that is why "bro just agree the AI won't be involved in autonomous weapons or mass surveillance why can't you agree it is so simple please bro" is an untenable position that the United States cannot possibly accept.

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Chris Smith@Coverage_Critic·
@eigenrobot when Snowden tells the story, he argues something like, "they did all this evil, anti-freedom stuff for nothing. the spying never stopped an attack" idk. multiple administrations left & right bought into it. hard for me to believe it wasn't relevant to major geo-political stuff
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Chris Smith@Coverage_Critic·
@eigenrobot the government put a ton resources into compromising these systems and setting up surveillance infra, doing borderline illegal and unamerican things along the way I can't be confident, but hard to believe they went to all that effort unless they got a lot out of it
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eigenrobot
eigenrobot@eigenrobot·
im deeply ambivalent abt the claude thing and long run i dont think it matters much so im also fairly indifferent to what happens the military and the spooks are simply going to get what they want either way and idk what else anyone expected here
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Chris Smith@Coverage_Critic·
Setting aside who is right and wrong here, sorta fascinating how horrifically badly the DOW is handling the PR battle
Under Secretary of War Emil Michael@USWREMichael

It’s a shame that @DarioAmodei is a liar and has a God-complex. He wants nothing more than to try to personally control the US Military and is ok putting our nation’s safety at risk. The @DeptofWar will ALWAYS adhere to the law but not bend to whims of any one for-profit tech company.

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Chris Smith@Coverage_Critic·
@eigenrobot buying time before these things get compromised or duplicated isn't meaningless... last few decades might have looked pretty different with a small shift in when telecoms got deeply compromised vs. when strong e2e became common for electronic comms
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eigenrobot@eigenrobot·
the point is it doesnt matter whether its good or bad because you can be sure the government is going to have access to and develop these capabilities whether or not the AI firms want them to or not
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Chris Smith@Coverage_Critic·
@powerbottomdad1 @0xkrma @tszzl ...man i know you're better than this yeah, the people controlling the guns and bombs set the rules but Anthropic is winning sympathy from some of the people with that control. beyond the moral high ground, Anthropic is massively outplaying the DOW on the PR game here
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roon@tszzl·
pentagon has made a lot of mistakes in this negotiation. they are giving anthropic unlimited aura farming opportunities
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Chris Smith@Coverage_Critic·
@powerbottomdad1 @0xkrma @tszzl is your view that Congress, not Anthropic, should set the rules? if so, not an unreasonable take in the abstract. but if we're looking at what's concretely on the table rn, don't feel like its a choice of whether to defer to Congress vs Anthropic
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Jeff Tang@jefftangx·
this meal prep shit is easy
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Mason Hall
Mason Hall@0xMasonH·
Brilliant move by @AnthropicAI to sponsor Claude ads on stacktraces that get no results
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Chris Smith@Coverage_Critic·
@ESRogs @jeremyphoward You've got to make a few ideological assumptions before "most good" even feels coherent Then in practice, there's obvious leanings people have w/r/t politics, ethics, etc & those necessarily play a massive role in decisions about "doing the most good"
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Chris Smith@Coverage_Critic·
@ESRogs @jeremyphoward I get the appeal of framing it as a question rather than an ideology, but it feels weaselly A Christian could say their religion isn't an ideology b/c at its core, its just asking the question "How can we best worship and glorify God?"
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Chris Smith@Coverage_Critic·
@robbensinger Yeah, I don't think you are--nothing you've said is off-putting in the way Eliezer's tweet was
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Rob Bensinger ⏹️
Rob Bensinger ⏹️@robbensinger·
I wouldn't say I'm automatically dismissing other kinda of evidence; I'd be interested to hear about it. But pointing at pseudocode is a useful way of distinguishing different levels and kinds of understanding. Info can have nonzero value while still falling well short of the kinds of vetted, detailed predictive models that are commonplace in the sciences. Re pseudocode in particular, out of curiosity: x.com/robbensinger/s…
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𝚟𝚒𝚎 ⟢@viemccoy·
I am losing a great deal of respect for Yudkowksy's models in general as a result of his consciousness posting. These are like, worse-than-undergrad level opinions.
Eliezer Yudkowsky@allTheYud

@TVachaW Ha! Great, explain how it works in enough detail to build it out of code. If you can't do this, what you have is a lot of ultimately blank and featureless background story, like alchemists telling very elaborate stories about gold without knowing about nuclei.

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Chris Smith@Coverage_Critic·
@robbensinger I know I'm not giving you the explanation you want, but fwiw, my beef isn't with Eliezer being skeptical of these people's supposed insights It's his "if you can't formalize it in code, you understand nothing" take. World is teeming with counter examples
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Chris Smith@Coverage_Critic·
@robbensinger I don't have the Buddhist experience. Seems plausible that directly experiencing aspects of a thing would lead to not-easily-formalizable insights about the thing If I *automatically* dismiss these claims, I'm not being rigorous. I'm hiding from the world by covering my eyes
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