@IslamicPackers @needGod_net @muslimorthodoxy I could not care if needGod gets defeated. Absolute heretic lol. Most could’ve defended this. He cannot, because he asserts everything he says as brute fact
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St. Apollos
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Christian @needGod_net tries to run Isaiah 53 against @muslimorthodoxy and fails miserably.
Christians, what do you think?
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Amazing. This kid has to be like 11 years old. OOs online didn’t open their mouths about EOs until EOs did it first. You guys made series’ against us, you didn’t know?
St. Apollos@catvon0
@7t2py @C2Antiquity Except it isn’t. Nobody cares about the non-Chalcedonians lmao.
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You know muslims don't have an argument when they try to hide behind translations and won't talk about the original Hebrew. The Hebrew of Deut. 22:28 doesn't refer to a child, so God never said to marry a child. The word "taphas" doesn't mean rape. When it is used in Genesis 39:12 it refers to grabbing a garment, not raping, or stripping off clothes. SP doesn't even check the verse to see that it doesn't say Joseph was raped or stripped, but he tells his audience that is what it says, so he is lying.
Christopher Wright says of Deut. 22:28, "The verb in verse 28 is different from that in verse 25 and means simply ‘handle’ or ‘take hold of,’ rather than the NIV’s stronger translation, rape" (Deuteronomy: Understanding the Bible Commentary Series).
And of course, being guided by the Holy Spirit does not make translators or commentators infalible. SP's argument is beyond stupid.
SeerahPro@SeerahDawah
IP undeniably proves Deuteronomy 22:28-29 is about Child Marriage 😬 He uses an example of Joseph where potiphars wife attempts to 🍇 him to say taphas means flirtatious seize 🤣🤣 IP r u saying demanding intercourse & ripping off someone’s clothes isn’t 🍇 😭😭 Then IP throws his church under the history saying 4-5th ce Christian’s didn’t have the Holy Spirit guiding them to interpret deut 22 correctly 😂😂 And then he attempts to refute the lxx by just saying “nuh uh” when anyone who just checks the lxx will agree it says child and force 😭😭 IP how r u gonna argue on child marriage but u somehow “don’t know what the lxx says on ur disgusting child marriage 🍇 verses”? That’s so weird
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@7t2py @C2Antiquity He just started doing this lmao. Holy cope. Agen has been speaking on EO for eternity.
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@catvon0 @C2Antiquity The dude who’s post you’re replying to literally spends his day looking for things to disparage the OO’s with lmao, let’s be fr here
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They’re just panicking. “We need to shut this guy up quick!” 😭😭
People are waking up to the rot at the heart of the “OO”s spirituality.
The amount of former, and current “OO”s, that have reached out privately on this subject is staggering. Many are inquiring.
Glory to God, Pray for them ☦️
Orthodoxy Above The Clouds@noetic_healing
I have not seen as many of attacks on this brother until he exposed the Copts. Now an army of bots are saying he needs to shut up. dont be discouraged brother. keep speaking the truth.
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@Baginssis @korrathetaymi So, I disproved you. Now you’re speaking on IP.. which I never mentioned. Good goal post shift. נַעֲרָה (na‘arāh) does not imply a child. The verse is speaking on seduction or coercive sex. Again, the inbred Muslim mentality 👍
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@catvon0 @korrathetaymi In ancient Jewish law (Halachah) and Talmudic tradition, a Naarah Betulah (a virgin maiden) typically refers to a girl who is exactly 12 to 12½ years old.
So under 18, hence a child according to IP and you. You're finished lol 🤣
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I mean, considering your bible condones these actions, and our Quran CONDEMNS them, it doesn’t really seem like you’re in a position to claim moral high ground.
Deut 22:28-29 says that if a man RAPES a CHILD VIRGIN (paida in the septuigent) and he is discovered, he pays 50 sheckles to the father, marries the CHILD for the rest of his life, and he can never divorce her since he’s HUMILIATED her.
Valentina Gomez@ValentinaForUSA
This was a muslim. NOT “a man from Brierfield” They’re only good at raping & killing
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@TheGermanicist Orthodoxy and Catholicism abide in ongoing revelation through councils. You literally have no idea what you’re talking about. “We wuz Jesus and you wuz da Pharisees yo”
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@7t2py @C2Antiquity Except it isn’t. Nobody cares about the non-Chalcedonians lmao.
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@catvon0 @C2Antiquity EO’s dog on OO’s all day and then get mad when Agen says anything back, it’s a two way thing
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@ObjectChristian @Kryptotajeer Islam is reliant on selecting a few verses and using those as an argument
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@catvon0 @Kryptotajeer He thinks Romans 1:3-4 is that silver bullet. All he does is use it to shoot himself in the foot though
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Paul teaches that Jesus received divinity at His resurrection.
Paul teaches that his gospel is of divine origin, not human, and that anyone who preaches a gospel contrary to his should be cursed (Galatians 1:8).
Since his gospel is (A) of divine origin and (B) teaches that Jesus became divine temporally, Paul states that anyone who preaches a gospel contrary or opposite to this should be accursed.
The Gospels are of human origin and preach that Jesus was divine before His resurrection—therefore, they contradict Paul’s message.
Therefore, Paul is cursing the four Gospels because they are a gospel contrary to his.
Source: @SeerahDawah
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@Baginssis @korrathetaymi “If a man finds a young virgin woman who is not betrothed, and seizes her (תְפָשָׂהּ / taphasah) and lies with her, and they are discovered…” Read Deut 22:25. חָזַק (chazaq) - “to overpower, seize forcibly, rape.” Islam dies without deception 👍 I was right.
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@adezbou @KingDawah1 That’s a good excuse for 18:86 though. The Word of God, eternal - the speech of Allah.. is providing POV’s? And his POV was the sun set in a muddy spring? 86:6-7 speaks on semen emerging between the backbone and ribs. That’s not scientifically accurate. Apply the same standard.
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@catvon0 @KingDawah1 That would be okay if he said "it is a very small seed" but saying "the smallest seed" is problematic for the position of him being God.
18:86 says "He found it setting in a muddy spring" describing the man's POV.
Now what's the problem with 86:6 and 86:7?
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TOP CHRISTIAN DEBATER BBL LOSES THEIR MIND OVER THE MUSTARD SEED DILEMMA!
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@adezbou @KingDawah1 Because the mustard seed was the smallest seed sown by farmers. A poppy seed is a flower and grows into something small. Not applicable to the parable. It wasn’t the standard example used by rabbis or farmers when talking about small things that grow big.
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@miaphysite3 your one apologist Agen has been slandering the EO for eternity. this is your issue lmao. “wahh someone said something back!! you can’t do that!!”
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In the past four/three days, we got EOs, out of the blue:
>slandering the OO Church
>slandering HH Pope Shenouda III
>affirming apotheosis (we become pure act, uncreated, unoriginate and so on [by grace]).
> seething when we hit back at their slanders of the Church and Pope Shenouda III
Maybe don't make stupid apologetics and you won't get that kind of hit back :)
Happens when a catechumen with no idea of the praxis and dogmas becomes a teacher.
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The epiphytic orchid seed (as they shifted from orchid to poppy) does not grow in soil, but rather on other plants. Dawah dies on hypocrisy and deception. They won’t apply these literal standards to the Qur’an, though.
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The Mustard Seed “dilemma” is idiotic. The mustard seed was the smallest seed that farmers sowed in their fields. It would grow 8-12 foot tall. The poppy seed would grow into a small flower, and would not be applicable to the parable nor a seed considered by farmers.
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@adezbou @KingDawah1 That doesn’t address my point. Poppy seeds weren’t the standard example used in that culture. It’s funny - you won’t apply this standard to Q 18:86 though? Or Q 86:6-7? Weird.
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@catvon0 @KingDawah1 Alr you first your cope was that its literal but it was the smallest they knew about you got cooked on that and now your cope is its hyperbolic
Lmao
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@KingDawah1 Muslim discover phenomenological language 😭We still do this today - saying that the sun rises, even though we know the earth rotates. By your standard, the Qur’an was wrong on a multitude of things anytime phenomenological language is used - thus it isn’t accurate.
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@KingDawah1 He literally gave you an answer, and you hand-waved it. In 1st-century Galilee, when a Jewish rabbi said “the smallest seed,” he was speaking about the smallest seed that farmers knew and cultivated in their fields. It was a well-known example.
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