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@wob6le2 @Villgecrazylady @perkins_tp56 I am unsure of those sanctions. When did America sanction Iran from Russia and China?

@dildorthewise @Villgecrazylady @perkins_tp56 I meant integrate outside of the sanctions the US had imposed and kept both China and Russia from integrating with Iran. There's a limit to what one can type here.

“…of course it was in the national interest, there’s always been a US national interest in getting rid of Iran.” ———— Look, you can make a strong case that Trump wasn’t “duped” into this war. And for the most part I agree. I think Trump is a narcissistic egomaniac. I think that renders him extremely vulnerable to manipulation. I think his long history of executive decision making based solely on who flatters him at any given time is proof of that. But at the end of the day he’s a grown ass man who is 100% responsible for his own actions. So I don’t give him any passes on this war. With that said, this is just a grossly dishonest argument by Finkelstein. Our own military has routinely advised against entering a war with Iran bc of the damage it will inflict on our military. Every economic advisor on the planet has warned of the apocalyptic dangers of an energy crisis like what we are about to experience because of this war with Iran. No sane person not personally/financially tied to the country of Israel has ever claimed a war with Iran is in America’s interest. That is complete hogwash. This war, which Trump ultimately entered into of his own volition, is for the sole benefit of Israel. Period. Which is why Benjamin Netanyahu came to the US a record SIX times in Trump’s first year back in order to sell it to Trump. Idk what Finkelstein’s end game is here but this is highly suspect commentary.

@wob6le2 @Villgecrazylady @perkins_tp56 Incorrect. The first country to recognise israel was the United States. The British were discarded pretty much the moment the Jews had a state. In fact, Israel launched a terror campaign against the British before 1948. Google King David Hotel.

@dildorthewise @Villgecrazylady @perkins_tp56 I thought you meant the Six day war (much more pertinent to Egypt and there was talk of going against the US official position then too) which is when Israel basically came under US protection. Suez is when Britain had the remnants of the empire still.

@wob6le2 @Villgecrazylady @perkins_tp56 We agree on Ukraine.

@dildorthewise @Villgecrazylady @perkins_tp56 This doesn't mean that it started out as such entirely even when it was inherited from the British. Ukraine is a more extreme example of a US outpost (disposable) and it clearly didn't start out as one, was captured and shaped.

@wob6le2 @Villgecrazylady @perkins_tp56 "1967" Wrong year. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suez_Cris… Supported by Britain and France in direct violation of America, who eventually forced an end to the war and a retreat of Israel from the Suez.

@dildorthewise @Villgecrazylady @perkins_tp56 1967 is a long story I don't have the energy to go over but Egypt was not an ally and breaking the pan-Arab movement was beneficial to the US. My position is that the US position is Israel's position because Israel is a subset of the US, an outpost.

@wob6le2 @Villgecrazylady @perkins_tp56 "No, one that can link up with China without US intermediation." Except the US, America's biggest trading partner. Or maybe every other country on earth except Venezuela in the last few months....

@dildorthewise @Villgecrazylady @perkins_tp56 No, one that can link up with China without US intermediation. Hezbollah is the result of Israel/US invading Lebanon. Everything is to protect Israel under this logic if you ignore the cause and effect. Why not also say the US is a threat to Iran/Lebanon/Syria/etc. (i.e. Israel)?

@wob6le2 @Villgecrazylady @perkins_tp56 I am saying everything is done for Israel. That's my position. Now you are saying america went to Lebanon in the 80s for their own reasons, and then left because the embassy got bombed. Could you explain the cause and effect of why?

@wob6le2 @Villgecrazylady @perkins_tp56 What about when they attacked egypt, who at the time was an important American ally in the region. I am serious because I am not convinced of that as a reason. You are basically saying they do it as a punitive measure against America's enemies. Is this your position?

@dildorthewise @Villgecrazylady @perkins_tp56 To constantly attack everything in the region that does not comply with US interests, it's the sacred state, the permanent carte blanche for violence in the region in the eyes of the Western population. Are you serious? I repeated myself in entire paragraphs here explaining this.

Why are we supposed to share the same "values" as people who rape their prisoners to death by sodomizing them with steel rods or training dogs to penetrate them?

@Villgecrazylady @Narjes_Rahmati It's also important to remember that the Japanese wanted to surrender but couldn't accept unconditional surrender. The only condition the Japanese had was the continued spiritual leadership of the emperor. This is the real reason they finally surrendered as the Americans agreed.

Japanese surrender to the Allies 6 days after the US dropped Fat Man on Nagasaki has enshrined nuclear weapons as a panacea in the minds of Western warpigs for the last 81 years. They gleefully pat themselves on the back for their “gracious restraint” while forever reminding the enemy that they “could end this war today if they really wanted to.” In reality, Japan had suffered over 2.1 military deaths between 1937-1945. Faced with certain defeat upon the Soviets declaring war against them on August 9, 1945, (just hours before the Americans dropped its second nuke on civilians) Japan convened its security council and made the decision to surrender. They had *literally* been at war for 8 full years at that point. Nuclear weapons didn’t break them- almost a decade of war did. You cannot bomb your way to victory. That’s not how war works. You would think after 2.5 years of bombing Gaza nonstop to no avail these fools would understand that by now.

@wob6le2 @Villgecrazylady @perkins_tp56 So it's to remove a power. But not one that threatens israel, one that threatens American dominance of the Middle East? That sounds fair enough. Iran does make moves against America (ie. BRICS) But Iran also makes moves against Israel (ie. Hezbollah) Could it in part be Israel?

@dildorthewise @Villgecrazylady @perkins_tp56 Iran is not Iraq so it's likely multipronged. Primarily wanton destruction of a country that is resourceful both in what's in the ground and human capital. Cannot be allowed to be a regional player. I think that is the main objective if the US can do it without losing the region.

@wob6le2 @Villgecrazylady @perkins_tp56 If that's the excuse, what's the reason?

@dildorthewise @Villgecrazylady @perkins_tp56 You are wrong. My argument also does not rest on what they feel (they all want Palestinians eliminated for example) but on what Israel's constant bombing of neighbors is sold as no matter how unrealistic. It's delusional to imagine Greater Israel as a real thing it's an excuse.

@wob6le2 @Villgecrazylady @perkins_tp56 You are totally wrong. A majority of Israel feels this way.

@dildorthewise @Villgecrazylady @perkins_tp56 The narrative is low IQ nation building. More than half the population of Israel laughs at that. The crazies tend to be motivated fighters like in Ukraine.

@wob6le2 @Villgecrazylady @perkins_tp56 Okay. And whats the iran war about?

@dildorthewise @Villgecrazylady @perkins_tp56 And yes, adding basically about 80% of what Saudi Arabia was already producing to the Petrodollar meant the world was locked into US hegemony for a few more decades.

@wob6le2 @Villgecrazylady @perkins_tp56 Yeah, it's not really something we're supposed to know about.

@dildorthewise @Villgecrazylady @perkins_tp56 This "Greater Israel" stuff is not even something they need westerners to believe, it's what they want their crazies to believe.

@wob6le2 @Villgecrazylady @perkins_tp56 Was it low IQ and not a problem when the Nazis were talking like this? You also bring up another problem. The people with violent rhetoric who are STILL committing a genocide have the backing of a superpower!? Doesnt that seem odd? Surly there's a better way to control oil?

@dildorthewise @Villgecrazylady @perkins_tp56 It doesn't matter, it's low IQ state building. I refuse to take it seriously. In fact the whole thing is a joke: we need this superpower that gives us everything to helps us become a superpower. Ridiculous any way you cut it. Look beyond what they want you to believe.

@wob6le2 @Villgecrazylady @perkins_tp56 Saudi Arabia is clearly with America and didn't like Sadam.

@dildorthewise @Villgecrazylady @perkins_tp56 It also knocked Saudi Arabia down a peg with that output that almost matched its own.

@wob6le2 @Villgecrazylady @perkins_tp56 It is not a fringe opinion. Netanyahu talks about this. x.com/i/status/20374…

@dildorthewise @Villgecrazylady @perkins_tp56 I cannot with the "Greater Israel" to me that is just a silly talking point for some crazies in Israel. 7 million people are supposed to what? take over hundreds of million in mostly desert?

@wob6le2 @Villgecrazylady @perkins_tp56 Other one is not readable. Hopefully, this one works.

@dildorthewise @Villgecrazylady @perkins_tp56 Don't need to ask anything leading but ask for both the strategic position of the US changing after the invasion (and how) and what corporate America (focus on oil if you what) got out of it.

@wob6le2 @Villgecrazylady @perkins_tp56