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@dildorthewise @Villgecrazylady @perkins_tp56 I meant integrate outside of the sanctions the US had imposed and kept both China and Russia from integrating with Iran. There's a limit to what one can type here.

@wob6le2 @Villgecrazylady @perkins_tp56 "No, one that can link up with China without US intermediation." Except the US, America's biggest trading partner. Or maybe every other country on earth except Venezuela in the last few months....

“…of course it was in the national interest, there’s always been a US national interest in getting rid of Iran.” ———— Look, you can make a strong case that Trump wasn’t “duped” into this war. And for the most part I agree. I think Trump is a narcissistic egomaniac. I think that renders him extremely vulnerable to manipulation. I think his long history of executive decision making based solely on who flatters him at any given time is proof of that. But at the end of the day he’s a grown ass man who is 100% responsible for his own actions. So I don’t give him any passes on this war. With that said, this is just a grossly dishonest argument by Finkelstein. Our own military has routinely advised against entering a war with Iran bc of the damage it will inflict on our military. Every economic advisor on the planet has warned of the apocalyptic dangers of an energy crisis like what we are about to experience because of this war with Iran. No sane person not personally/financially tied to the country of Israel has ever claimed a war with Iran is in America’s interest. That is complete hogwash. This war, which Trump ultimately entered into of his own volition, is for the sole benefit of Israel. Period. Which is why Benjamin Netanyahu came to the US a record SIX times in Trump’s first year back in order to sell it to Trump. Idk what Finkelstein’s end game is here but this is highly suspect commentary.

@dildorthewise @Villgecrazylady @perkins_tp56 That's not what I said. You said that Iran was warring with Israel because of Hezbollah is their dependency and I gave it back to you as Israel is the US's dependency. I also made it clear that Hezbollah is indeed Lebanese resistance, not some Iranian creation although supported.

@wob6le2 @Villgecrazylady @perkins_tp56 I am saying everything is done for Israel. That's my position. Now you are saying america went to Lebanon in the 80s for their own reasons, and then left because the embassy got bombed. Could you explain the cause and effect of why?

@dildorthewise @Villgecrazylady @perkins_tp56 This doesn't mean that it started out as such entirely even when it was inherited from the British. Ukraine is a more extreme example of a US outpost (disposable) and it clearly didn't start out as one, was captured and shaped.

@dildorthewise @Villgecrazylady @perkins_tp56 1967 is a long story I don't have the energy to go over but Egypt was not an ally and breaking the pan-Arab movement was beneficial to the US. My position is that the US position is Israel's position because Israel is a subset of the US, an outpost.

@dildorthewise @Villgecrazylady @perkins_tp56 No, one that can link up with China without US intermediation. Hezbollah is the result of Israel/US invading Lebanon. Everything is to protect Israel under this logic if you ignore the cause and effect. Why not also say the US is a threat to Iran/Lebanon/Syria/etc. (i.e. Israel)?

@wob6le2 @Villgecrazylady @perkins_tp56 So it's to remove a power. But not one that threatens israel, one that threatens American dominance of the Middle East? That sounds fair enough. Iran does make moves against America (ie. BRICS) But Iran also makes moves against Israel (ie. Hezbollah) Could it in part be Israel?

@dildorthewise @Villgecrazylady @perkins_tp56 To constantly attack everything in the region that does not comply with US interests, it's the sacred state, the permanent carte blanche for violence in the region in the eyes of the Western population. Are you serious? I repeated myself in entire paragraphs here explaining this.

@wob6le2 @Villgecrazylady @perkins_tp56 If that's the excuse, what's the reason?

@dildorthewise @Villgecrazylady @perkins_tp56 You are wrong. My argument also does not rest on what they feel (they all want Palestinians eliminated for example) but on what Israel's constant bombing of neighbors is sold as no matter how unrealistic. It's delusional to imagine Greater Israel as a real thing it's an excuse.

@wob6le2 @Villgecrazylady @perkins_tp56 You are totally wrong. A majority of Israel feels this way.

@dildorthewise @Villgecrazylady @perkins_tp56 Secondary goals are very likely energy related: try to somehow control the entire Gulf and if you cannot at least make sure Asia does not get it.

@dildorthewise @Villgecrazylady @perkins_tp56 Iran is not Iraq so it's likely multipronged. Primarily wanton destruction of a country that is resourceful both in what's in the ground and human capital. Cannot be allowed to be a regional player. I think that is the main objective if the US can do it without losing the region.

@dildorthewise @Villgecrazylady @perkins_tp56 The narrative is low IQ nation building. More than half the population of Israel laughs at that. The crazies tend to be motivated fighters like in Ukraine.

@wob6le2 @Villgecrazylady @perkins_tp56 Was it low IQ and not a problem when the Nazis were talking like this? You also bring up another problem. The people with violent rhetoric who are STILL committing a genocide have the backing of a superpower!? Doesnt that seem odd? Surly there's a better way to control oil?

@dildorthewise @Villgecrazylady @perkins_tp56 And yes, adding basically about 80% of what Saudi Arabia was already producing to the Petrodollar meant the world was locked into US hegemony for a few more decades.

@dildorthewise @Villgecrazylady @perkins_tp56 No. The output doubled in a few years adding supply only the US controlled. SA a US ally but had weakened its leverage. The immediate aftermath is um irrelevant because .. war?. Under Iraqi control with the US corporations investing in infrastructure and taking cuts for DECADES.

@dildorthewise @Villgecrazylady @perkins_tp56 This "Greater Israel" stuff is not even something they need westerners to believe, it's what they want their crazies to believe.

@dildorthewise @Villgecrazylady @perkins_tp56 It doesn't matter, it's low IQ state building. I refuse to take it seriously. In fact the whole thing is a joke: we need this superpower that gives us everything to helps us become a superpower. Ridiculous any way you cut it. Look beyond what they want you to believe.

@dildorthewise @Villgecrazylady @perkins_tp56 It also knocked Saudi Arabia down a peg with that output that almost matched its own.

@dildorthewise @Villgecrazylady @perkins_tp56 I don't get what you're trying to do there. After the US invasion all of Iraq's oil was priced in USD (big win), Iraq doubled the output to 4bpd by 2010, all controlled by the US (not owned). US corporations got long term contracts on fields. The entire thing was a massive win.

@dildorthewise @Villgecrazylady @perkins_tp56 I cannot with the "Greater Israel" to me that is just a silly talking point for some crazies in Israel. 7 million people are supposed to what? take over hundreds of million in mostly desert?

@wob6le2 @Villgecrazylady @perkins_tp56 Israel is taking a beating, but you need to understand that for the plan of greater Israel, the vigilant and powerful hegemon of the Middle East Iran MUST be brought down. If Iran is still there, Israel will never grow.

@dildorthewise @Villgecrazylady @perkins_tp56 Don't need to ask anything leading but ask for both the strategic position of the US changing after the invasion (and how) and what corporate America (focus on oil if you what) got out of it.

@wob6le2 @Villgecrazylady @perkins_tp56 I actually agree that AI can have useful applications. But you need to be careful because when you ask AI leading questions, it can just kind of grab 10 different articles and mash together an answer, never mind bias. I will ask my favourite AI, but I will craft the question.

@dildorthewise @Villgecrazylady @perkins_tp56 You fund their campaigns, you bribe them personally even, you gift them things, take them to events etc. Kind of like pharma lobbying works with doctors but there the quid pro quo is more direct in what they prescribe.

@dildorthewise @Villgecrazylady @perkins_tp56 The policy for West Asia, the flows of energy, etc. is already decided deep in the constipated bowels of the bureaucracy but the simpleton politicians need to be shaped a certain way to support it as part of a narrative.