The Insufferable Calvinist

@rootcausesleuth @yesiwetmyplants *In the context of worship

@yesiwetmyplants @reformatrix Ok. The context was the idolatry of singing music that’s not the psalms. So I guess if that’s your pattern of life, it could damn someone on that view? But you probably don’t agree with that guy about singing anything that’s not psalms being idolatry.

Shocking and unbelievable

She was a music major in college, worked as a substitute teacher before I met her, and helped care for old folk in an assisted living home. She was also in the Peace Corps and lived in Kazakhstan for several years (and knows Russian as a result) and traveled pretty much the rest of the world before we got married.

@reformatrix @Shirinsmit That's amazing. Does she have an education or knows a trade? Like culinary school or nursing? Just curious.

GIRL TO GIRL... be honest.... If you could stay home, raise babies, and run a cozy homemaker life….. would you?

@rootcausesleuth "Condemning"? No. We still recognize this as a secondary issue. It is very possible to be guilty of idolatry (as we all are in some shape or form), and still be saved. I'm certain he would not hinge salvation on this issue.

@reformatrix Yes, and condemning others

@GigaBasedDad 2005-2013: Non-Denominational 2013-Present: RPCNA It was the Psalm singing that captured my attention. Now I stay for the Mediatorial Kingship of Christ (we were the original Christian Nationalists)!

Let's have fun here What Christian denomination are you right now? Under what Christian denomination were you raised? Curious to see the results

@rootcausesleuth In light of that, I'd say that he's being consistent with his conviction.

@reformatrix lol yeah

@farmingandJesus From this we can deduce that St. Francis probably did not understand the Gospel.

The gospel requires words.

@rootcausesleuth Indeed he did. He holds to the Regulative Principle of Worship.

@reformatrix He didn’t just “advocate singing of psalms”. He pronounced singing other songs idolatry.

Oh man!—you don’t even know!! I’m so amazed that he is so unknown. All of his writings are pure gold. I particularly love his book on the history of the Waldenses. He also wrote a book on the history of the Papacy. He was the first to really drive the premise home for me that the Papacy is the Antichrist (which is the title of another book he also wrote). One of my favorite authors. Definitely my favorite historian.

@reformatrix @kenzietuff Based and delightfully biased. ❤️

Please recommend your favorite books on history, any subject. I want to expand my library with good, not “woke” suggestions.

@PresbyXian @kenzietuff To one history lover to another—whenever you get a chance, you’ve gotta do it. His position is that all of Church History is fundamentally Protestant.

@reformatrix @kenzietuff Gotta confess, I ain't read that material.

@rootcausesleuth He’s a minister in my denomination. I know him. I know his position. It’s my denominational position. AMA.

@reformatrix Um…you might want to reread what he said

@MtnViewsCO I’ve been contemplating a move to Wyoming.

Coloradans see crime and our cost of living soar. We all drive the same lousy roads. We know gun & parental rights are being stripped. We read about the predators in our schools, all via 20 years of Dem rule. And I’m to believe 55% of you want this dumpster fire to keep raging?

@PresbyXian @kenzietuff Yes, but J.A. Wylie’s “The History of Protestantism” is better.

@kenzietuff Shelby Foote's Civil War trilogy. Nick Needham's "2000 Years of Christ's Power" is also excellent.

@elonmusk But if we’re really, really nice this time they’ll be nice to us back!

Nailed it

Not to by rude, but I think this may expose your ignorance more than anything. There are good reasons for rejecting modern translations according to Greek manuscripts use to undergird such. You may not like those reasons, but there are good, scholarly, and philosophical reasons for believing such.

The hate on the ESV from the “reformed” crowd just proves how quickly they forget from whence they came.

@farmingandJesus And here I thought I was the only weirdo still up.

Why did I keep eating it?

The 93% cigarette butt dark chocolate got me wired and I can’t sleep. 0-2 on dirt musty cigarette chocolate. Loser candy

The core problem with your question is that it assumes the opposite of biblical worship. You’re asking for a verse that says, in those exact words, “Only sing Psalms and everything else is idolatry,” as though worship runs on the principle: “We may offer God whatever we like in worship unless He explicitly blacklists each item one by one.” That is false. Biblical worship runs on this principle: God alone appoints His worship, and man may not add to it. Deuteronomy 12:32 says, “What thing soever I command you, observe to do it: thou shalt not add thereto, nor diminish from it.” That destroys his standard outright. God does not tell men to innovate first and to ask questions later; He tells them not to add. So the burden is not on the exclusive Psalm-singer to prove that every human hymn is separately condemned, rather the burden is on the hymn-singer to prove that God authorized the addition. In Leviticus 10:1-2 Nadab and Abihu offered “strange fire, which he commanded them not.” God’s anger consumed these sons of Aaron in a blaze of fire. Notice the wording. The text does not say, “which he had explicitly, individually, verbally forbidden in those exact terms.” It says, “which he commanded them not.” That is the regulative principle in narrative form. Unauthorized worship is deadly serious because God is holy and jealous of His own ordinances. Which takes us to the next point: God did not leave His church without a songbook. He gave one. The Psalms are not a random collection of ancient religious poetry. They are the inspired songs of the covenant assembly, given by God for His praise. If God furnished His church with a body of inspired praise, what arrogance is it for man to say, “That is not enough. We will improve on it with our own compositions”? What’s more, the singing of praise is a separate category from sermons and prayers where there is commanded liberty—as there is neither sermon book nor prayer book. However, it is a travesty that we are given a song book which is intentionally neglected to singing not that God prefers, but that we prefer. That is exactly what Deuteronomy 12:32 forbids: adding to instituted worship. Inevitably and appropriately you should ask, “What about the ‘psalms, hymns, and spiritual songs’ in Ephesians 5:19 and Colossians 3:16?” That phrase does not rescue uninspired hymnody. It actually helps the psalm-singing case. Before we move forward, just ask the question: “Do we impose onto these words definitions as categories that we read into the text?” Yes. Why? Because “psalms,” “hymns,” and “songs” are biblical categories already found in the Psalter itself. The Greek Old Testament uses those terms in the titles of the Psalms. In other words, Paul is not saying, “Sing inspired Psalms plus later uninspired human compositions.” He is using the very vocabulary of the canonical songbook. He is telling the church to sing the Psalms in their full breadth and categories. And “spiritual” does not mean “emotionally moving” or “religious-sounding.” In apostolic language, “spiritual” means that which belongs to the Spirit. The Psalms are Spirit-breathed. Your favorite modern hymn writer is not. So the standard hymn argument collapses in multiple ways: 1.) Deut. 12:32 forbids adding to God’s worship. 2.) Lev. 10:1-2 shows God judges what He has “not commanded.” 3.) God gave the church an inspired songbook. 4.) Eph. 5:19 / Col. 3:16 do not introduce uninspired hymnody, but use the existing categories of the Psalter. 5.) Therefore, the real question is not “Where are uninspired hymns explicitly forbidden by God?” but “Where are uninspired hymns positively instituted by God for public worship?” I’m not going to claim that this is an exhaustive case that answers every objection—there’s many more besides these. My hope in writing this is to persuade you that there is a case at all. If I may share an anecdote, my familiarity with the arguments were not what persuaded me; singing them was.

@reformatrix @Presbiteriano1 Where does the Bible say you can only sing the Psalms and everything else is idolatry?

The singing of man-made hymns in the worship of God, not being authorized by Him, is idolatry.

@telemachus1183 @phrenic @Presbiteriano1 They certainly didn’t. They affirmed works of mercy and works of necessity were permitted; as would @Presbiteriano1

@phrenic @Presbiteriano1 I’d like to assume that the authors of the WCF were not attempting to contradict this verse.

The denial of observing and keeping holy the Christian Sabbath, the Lord's Day may be a sign of an unconverted heart. Pastors who reject the command to keep the Lord's Day holy do NOT belong in the ministry.

@davidwrobertson @Presbiteriano1 You do not know what you’re talking about.

@Presbiteriano1 You are evidence that anyone can become a pastor.

The use of musical intruments in public worship have been abrogated by the NT. It's use today is to Judaize & to testify that Christ's sacrifice on the cross is not yet complete. We are not to Judaize & Christ's work IS complete. Therfore, stop using musical instrmnts in worship.

As one whose wife has been staying at home for 13 years, and on a meager income in the third most expensive state in the union, with 5 kids…. My wife has never had to have a side hustle. Instead, she’s thrifty, frugal, and wise—and that, by itself, absolutely fills what would otherwise be a gap. :)

Being a homemaker is more than just raising babies and cleaning plus you are relying on someone else financially and this leaves many women vulnerable. It's amazing to have children and have a home, but always contribute financially to your home. Get an education and learn a trade if you're going to stay home....if you gotta do a side hustle like doing hair, nails, baking, cleaning houses , babysitting, bookkeeping, and etc then do it. Always have a connection and a resume updated and ready. Because phases of life are like seasons it can change.

@Presbiteriano1 Just reading these comments proves the author’s premise.