Ms Van Winkle

@HollyCahill14 @hell_line0 It’s not a human? Omg. What species is it? Is the species in the room with you now? Dude. Think about what you just wrote. An embryo or a fetus is a stage of human life related to age and development. Just like baby, toddler, teen , adult And geriatric. Not a human…🤯

@winkle_ms @hell_line0 Until it can breathe on its own, it is not a human. It is only the potential to be a human, a clump of cells. Once it is viable is another state. Still, it is none of your business.

So you mean to tell me people routinely stand outside of abortion clinics to prevent mothers from getting them, but never go to orphanages and help the kids who’re already here? What a selfish agenda!

@HollyCahill14 @hell_line0 And the life you’re ending. That human never had a choice.

@winkle_ms @hell_line0 There are many reasons to either need or want an abortion. The one thing they have in common is that they are none of your business unless you are the person involved.

@mattvanswol @mooselips Oh no!

This is one of the most astonishing interviews I've ever seen in my life. A mother/daughter duo at a South Carolina "No Kings" protest could not explain AT ALL to a reporter why either of them were protesting. Zero clue. Not a single coherent sentence, unbelievable to watch...

@Edwardelrich9 @SUDHIRT64354301 @hell_line0 @grok Honestly, your weird punctuation and sometimes lack thereof is too difficult to follow. You’re just not worth it.

@winkle_ms @SUDHIRT64354301 @hell_line0 @grok Only in 38 states abortion however in some of those states is not considered murdered especially under medical, rape or incest situation. If a zygote, fetus puts the life of the mother in jeopardy then abortion is allowed but a new born baby can't be aborted for medical reasons.

@Edwardelrich9 @SUDHIRT64354301 @hell_line0 @grok You’re not a person? What are you? A non human?

@winkle_ms @SUDHIRT64354301 @hell_line0 @grok A baby doesn't need a women's body to survive. It can survive outside the womb very well. If you need another person's body to survive you're are not a person.

@HollyCahill14 @hell_line0 It’s nearly impossible for couples to adopt a baby. The foster care system seeks to reunite families. There are sadly over 100k children up for adoption separate from foster. That’s still not a valid reason to abort unborn babies .

@winkle_ms @hell_line0 You know that's a lie. There are so many children who need parents and not nearly enough people who want to adopt them.

@2000s_baby @Blind2drama @loverofsnark @hell_line0 I know. That’s terrible for women. We should be banding together to get them support. We tell women they have a “choice” but without support what choice do they really have?

@winkle_ms @Blind2drama @loverofsnark @hell_line0 It’s good that you’re willing to support your kids. Keep in mind that not everyone has that kind of support.

@Bad_Lerry @hell_line0 You seem unhinged and incapable of communicating in a respectful way. Do better.

@winkle_ms @hell_line0 Do you not know how the foster system works cuz it seems like you thinks isn't exclusively for kids that are taken by CPS. They also handle adoption services you dense fuck. Do you think adoption only works if you line up someone to adopt the baby right after you have it?

@2000s_baby @Blind2drama @loverofsnark @hell_line0 Not less valuable either. You’re assuming that a life ending in abortion would have resulted in a life destined for foster care.

@winkle_ms @Blind2drama @loverofsnark @hell_line0 Likewise the 117,000 kids in foster care deserve the stability of a permanent home. Fetuses are not inherently more valuable than humans who have already been born, unless there’s an ulterior motive.

@2000s_baby @Blind2drama @loverofsnark @hell_line0 I’m sorry that I implied you didn’t.

@winkle_ms @Blind2drama @loverofsnark @hell_line0 And I do know a lot about human life and development. Heck I have a biology degree. My thesis was based on research in evolutionary-developmental biology, and I work in a biomedical research lab. I’m asking these questions to help you see the fallacy of your logic.

And for the record I would never ever ever protest in front of a clinic or shame any woman for having an abortion. However, if my kids got pregnant I’d do everything I could to help them so they wouldn’t have to live with the consequences of aborting their baby. I think women have been lied to and told it’s not a big deal. But it’s a very big deal.

@2000s_baby @Blind2drama @loverofsnark @hell_line0 Ok. I mostly agree with that too.

@Bad_Lerry @hell_line0 So you’re saying that everyone who aborts their baby would end up abusing their kids and they would end up in foster care? Even tho the number one reason women have abortions is because they aren’t ready?

@winkle_ms @hell_line0 Yea, dont abort cuz we can make money off them via the foster system and corrupt "troubled youth" industry. Really morally superior of you. Life doesn't begin at concept, but it does tragically end all too soon for too many kids in the system you say is the moral alternative

It’s hard to communicate with you bc you don’t know that much about human life cycles and biology. At every stage of life we clumps of cells. But yea, I think we should regulate the disposal of blastocysts or zygotes. I would never force a woman to carry a baby. And I’m not for outlawing abortion. I just wish women would understand the gravity of their decisions and actions and not be brainwashed into thinking an embryo or fetus isn’t worth protecting.

I did not ask for a lesson in biology about IVFs. I asked about the case where there are multiple viable embryos and the parents only want one? Blastocysts or whatever you call them are human embryos, are they not? Do we then make the woman carry all the embryos to term because there are lots of people who want to adopt babies? And does discarding them mean we’re killing people? Because your argument is that a clump of cells (which is what a blastocyst is) is a person?

@Bad_Lerry @hell_line0 There are long lists of couples who would love to adopt a baby. It’s one of the hardest things to do. Which is why many couples go overseas. The foster system tries to reunite children with parents. But I agree that it is riddled with problems. It still doesn’t justify abortion.

@winkle_ms @hell_line0 Wow, this is deeply out of touch. No, there are absolutely not endless lines of people ready to adopt and "orphanages" absolutely continue to exist through the fosters system and group homes. New name, same grift. Those kids are just seen as a source of income

@letalonelee @hell_line0 Is a fetus dead in the womb bc it hasn’t used its lungs for oxygen because they use the umbilical cord and amniotic fluid?

@winkle_ms @hell_line0 Next time try to think before you ask a question.

Well in biological terms a woman’s body is designed to make babies. But that doesn’t determine self worth. Lots of women can’t have children and may mourn that but it doesn’t diminish their contribution to humanity or life. There are plenty of ways to celebrate life and contribute.

@winkle_ms @Blind2drama @loverofsnark @hell_line0 Or maybe we should start hiring human incubators to carry all the viable human embryos to term, because that’s what a woman’s body is for right?

Interesting points! Human cells extracted from humans are not a separate being. But IVF does create blastocysts with the hope that they will implant and give couples a baby. Lots of the blastocysts don’t survive the thawing or they don’t implant during implantation. So a woman may go thru several rounds of egg collection and the eggs may not fertilize or divide properly. Lots won’t make it to day 5 (blastocyst stage). The ones that do and look the best as the ones they try to use. But no guarantees. They may not implant. They aren’t being discarded per se. Though some are after couples have babies. Some couples use ivf bc they need to test their blastocysts for genetic anomalies. And bc these blastocysts have their full sets of genetic markers they can do so. I generally support all efforts to couples who want to have children. IVF compresses time for couples bc it collects eggs instead of waiting for month after month.

So how do you justify the use of human cells in biological research? Are those considered people too, even though they contain the entire human genome? What about IVF procedures, where several viable embryos may be produced and have a 94% chance of being discarded in some clinical settings? Are those not “people too” by your logic?

@letalonelee @hell_line0 Are they dead before?

@winkle_ms @hell_line0 Life enters when breath enters.

@Edwardelrich9 @SUDHIRT64354301 @hell_line0 @grok A baby can’t survive outside the womb without help either. And newborns, babies, children and teenagers are all still developing and growing and aren’t fully formed. Teen brains aren’t finished until they reach adulthood.

@winkle_ms @SUDHIRT64354301 @hell_line0 @grok A zygote and fetus are not fully formed which is why if a mother has pregnancy issues they're allowed to have an abortion and also they rely on the woman for survival bcuz outside the womb they can't survive. Unlike babies.