@Oscar1051128 @KatelynTweeter I understand she's more powerful and the life or death is depending on the mother. That's kind of our whole point. They're dependent and who created them.
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@GalacticPoly @KatelynTweeter I think the survival of a fetus dependent on a woman before it reaches sentience depends entirely on the willingness of the woman to play host. Her uterus, her choice.
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Once you force someone to be dependent on you for survival, you are morally obligated to support them.
This is why abortion is wrong.
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@LyssAnthrope I didn't ask if it inherently requires it. Do you realize what you are doing? You're adding things I didn't ever ask.
I'm asking if it can ever. Not if there are circumstances where it can not be required.
Please answer the questions I ask, not the ones I don't.
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@GalacticPoly Are you asking if a biological parent, like an egg donor for a gestational carrier, has a duty to feed a child being raised by other parents?
No, genetic or gestational parenthood does not inherently require those obligations
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Galactipoly@GalacticPoly
@LyssAnthrope Do you think there is a parental duty in the slightest in any form to take a sick child to the doctors in an attempt to maintain their well being? I can even go more basic. Completely healthy and normal infant at home. Is there a parental duty in any form to feed the child?
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@GalacticPoly what do you think an artificial womb is? It's life support.
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@Oscar1051128 @KatelynTweeter You think a 10 week old fetus is ordered towards independence? D
How about a newborn lol
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@GalacticPoly @KatelynTweeter Nope. Just cut the umbilical cord at 3 weeks and that fetus has every option to operate independently of its host.
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@LyssAnthrope Ok well if you have any proof that the information it's stating is wrong I'm all ears. Will you accept anything?
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@GalacticPoly Ask AI whether (screenshots of) AI results are valid proof of the information they present.
Your example is nothing close to a clean hypothetical for the reasons previously stated
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MissAnthrope@LyssAnthrope
@GalacticPoly You could have picked a clean hypothetical: duty to take a sick children to the doctor You picked one that combines issues of life support for a critically ill child, bodily invasion, genetic vs social parenthood and says nothing about 3rd party enforcement, a major issue
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@LyssAnthrope Do you believe in any idea of parenthood duty? Either social or biological?
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@GalacticPoly There is no way that an ectogenesis hypothetical can isolate the distinction between biological and social parenthood
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Galactipoly@GalacticPoly
@LyssAnthrope every issue with caring for such a child is fixed. I don't get what the hangup with 3rd party enforcement is but poof gone. If you don't understand the role of a hypothetical (to isolate underlying principle, this one being biological parental duty) I can try and show you.
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@Oscar1051128 @KatelynTweeter You are when you create a human being. It's pretty simple.
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@KatelynTweeter No one is forcing a fetus to be dependent. In fact abortion takes care of that issue in a hurry.
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@GalacticPoly You’re tired of what you’re doing being called out for what it is.
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Pregnancy is an involuntary biological process in the body. It strains the outer limits of human metabolic endurance, but occurs without agency or volition.
Forcing someone to stay pregnant is not requiring them to "care for a child" - it’s using their body. It’s exploitation.
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@LyssAnthrope I just don't know what else to do at this point lol
I cant pinpoint if you think parental duty exists at all for any reason at this point because it seems you'll just come up with any justification as why it doesn't.
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@LyssAnthrope I'm trying to see if you think there is a duty to care for one's child after birth or not. But I guess it just went over your head.
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@LyssAnthrope letting them die. Like a good parent should do.
Kinda strange you couldn't comprehend that lol
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@LyssAnthrope What do you mean? Im not against birth happening in general lol. Why would I be?
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@GalacticPoly Sounds like "forced birth" isn't doing anything as a substantive argument then
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@LyssAnthrope I mean isn't sex (minus rape) a voluntary action? At that point I don't see how pregnancy isn't voluntary. It's just the enduring voluntary process of what you started.
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