@fohead2big I literally said I don't feel the same way the dude does. Wtf are you on
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MissingDuck
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@TheMissingDuck @ThunderWavy @PeeWeeDaPlug youre thinking way too much abt this. it's a very brief encounter, someone is just quickly responding to your apology so that you can both move along lol. everyone in the world isnt out to get you
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Jacoby@djacoby
Does “you’re good” bother you too?
@dmoncic No need. You're acting like people don't know he won at DOA and MK
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Competitive Fighting games has too many players that just exist as bracket cheerleaders.
You might as well not enter and just pay spectator fee.
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@IHeartjustice_ @PanqueNhoc Sure. Good job responding to replies too. But it was a short vague tweet with a specific term and no one would know what he meant by that term without the video. So it's a good post, but with an assumption that made it its own separate point. Not really a response. Objectively.
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@TheMissingDuck @PanqueNhoc You can point that out sure! I can agree to disagree, I responded to the statement he wrote with my own take and I think I left just enough room for a little interpretation, which is ideal
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Don't really know this guy & while I realize it's very easy to dive into someone's character off this or go "hahah bro lost 13-0 and is trying to talk about spectating"
A better conversation is tackling why someone might feel this way, why it's wrong, & why all are welcome -
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The FGC started very small from a humble beginning. Arcade culture is something that very much laid the foundation for what "hype" in the FGC would become today.
Back then you had to pay to play, and what made it accessible wasn't the game itself or it's mechanics, but instead the low cost of an arcade play and your proximity to an arcade.
A single coin (if you were good) had you there all day, if you weren't as gifted, you'd wait in line with a quarter down and your eyes peeled watching the action in front. Every match counted and the hype came from seeing the person holding down the setup finally losing.
This type of environment lent itself well to trash talk, storylines, and eventual tourneys because it was so intimate, different than the way we see so many online tournaments now. This created the space for community to grow close, create rivalries, create bonds, you'd have it all if you were blessed with an arcade scene
There's that keyword though ; blessed.
Not everyone could be blessed with :
- The money to pay constantly
- The proximity to an arcade
- The skills to be good which, in turn, made you memorable.
These very tangible things did not allow you to foster the intangible parts of the FGC we all really want > Community & Acceptance.
I think if you genuinely feel the fighting game community has too many cheerleaders, you probably never had anyone really cheer for you in the way that I've always tried to do for those I know.
I've cheered for Evo grand finalists
I've cheered for Top 8 placers
I've cheered for my students
I've cheered for people that went 0-2
I've cheered for my fiance at a party for a smash bros match
like dude, it's not cringe to gas up people in our community. OR, to playfully trash talk our homies, it's actually REALLY fun.
I pity anyone who denies that aspect of this great community, fighting games are so intimate, I often quote how cool it is we have a LEGAL way to beat the shit out of each other and can be friends after.
Competitive Fighting games need bracket cheerleaders, it needs out-of-bracket cheerleaders, it needs community thought leaders that cheer for someone doing their first combo or playing their first time on stream, even when they lose, maybe even harder when they lose. <3
Keep cheering ya'll =)
Perfect Legend@PerfectLegend
Competitive Fighting games has too many players that just exist as bracket cheerleaders. You might as well not enter and just pay spectator fee.
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@IHeartjustice_ @PanqueNhoc I largely agree with your long post, it was good. But it was framed as a response to something you're not actually responding to.
It's fair to point out that the breakdown you wrote is not fully connected to the tweet you're quoting. I think PL's video was mostly filler too
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What i stated (hopefully clearly but hey maybe can be improved)
"a conversation about why someone might feel this way, why it's wrong, and why are all welcome" is what I steered the discussion to. I don't really care what he means because im moving to a contrary point.
If he wrote a follow up with his actual point and it gets on my feed maybe I'd write about that one lol
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@PanqueNhoc @IHeartjustice_ Honestly just the first 2 minutes is enough to explain what the term meant. The other 8 are just PL complaining
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@IHeartjustice_ I mean, he definitely could have worded it better and it's only natural that most people will not click the video, but you might as well watch it if you're gonna write all that about it lol
it's even hard to imagine this dude would spend 10 minutes telling 0-2ers to go home lol
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@MineCreeperLPs @IHeartjustice_ You haven't been to many tournaments then. You can see the difference in people who actually try to be good and play vs those there to cheer. The "bracket cheerleader" as harmless as it is, is a real thing. Just saying most of FGC twitter thinks PL was talking about "bad" players
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@TheMissingDuck @IHeartjustice_ Have you thought maybe they just went to see their favorite player AND wanted to play but just got beat?
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@kevinmcolon The first 2 minutes explain the whole term. You can ignore the other shit. But you just lied about it lol
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@TheMissingDuck I already did before I made the tweet to see if there was any logic behind his statement and the video was essentially 10 mins of him going off on a tangent about how the FGC discredits his old accolades.
It had nothing to do with his original point.
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@Kuragune @IHeartjustice_ Me personally I just find it silly and it kinda dilutes the playing pool because a lot of people are there to actually play
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@IHeartjustice_ I have quite literally seen guys who go 0-2 at EVO and then just hound their favorite player's pool sets. I'm sure you have to. It's a genuine thing. I don't think it's that deep to need a video but I also think it's fine to dislike it and FGC Twitter took the headline
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@TheMissingDuck I actually don't even think these people you are claiming do this, exist. Anecdotal of course but why would someone spend money to "cheer?" from within bracket?
that doesn't make any sense
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I miss the good old days where you could just be a dogshit fighting game player like PL and be relevant. Now you gotta do all this extra bullshit he’s doing and it’s just sad.
Perfect Legend@PerfectLegend
Competitive Fighting games has too many players that just exist as bracket cheerleaders. You might as well not enter and just pay spectator fee.
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@RealYoKaiFGC You didn't watch the video. PL's whole point isn't about players going 0-2
It's about players who go 0-2 because they're there to root for competitors rather than try to be one
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Everyone deserves to compete. Whether you 0-2, 1-2, 2-2, top 8 a major, etc.
Everyone starts from somewhere. Competition breeds excellence, no matter where it's from. Show your support, show the love. The FGC was built on the love of the game and the craft.
Play your heart out.
Perfect Legend@PerfectLegend
Competitive Fighting games has too many players that just exist as bracket cheerleaders. You might as well not enter and just pay spectator fee.
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@Diaphone_ Nah that wasn't the point. Just watch the video.
If you enter a marathon you're there as a personal challenge. Very different from that PL calls a bracket cheerleader
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I've been training for a marathon for the past few months
I deregistered today because I realize I'm not going to win, thanks PL (and there's not even a spectator fee!)
Perfect Legend@PerfectLegend
Competitive Fighting games has too many players that just exist as bracket cheerleaders. You might as well not enter and just pay spectator fee.
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@dmoncic @PerfectLegend If you know anything about fighting games you know PL is an EVO champ. No need to lie
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@PerfectLegend you're such a fucking bum lol
4x world champion and you wonder why no one other than you can name which games and which years this happened
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@B_Hop69 @PerfectLegend Grown man pressed over somebody posting their opinion online is sad asf
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@PerfectLegend Reading your tweets these days is just sad. Update your resume. Old ass sad nigga with nothing to say besides hating while reminding people how you peaked in high school. People still make fun of you because you’re miserable. Please wake tf up
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The fundamental disconnect in Competitive Fighting Games is the gap between competitors and performers. The Twitch era convinced a generation that spectators grant relevance and fund the legacy. This is a delusion. Champions take relevance in the bracket.
I won my first world title in 2006 at 18 years old. There were no streams or bracket cheerleaders. I achieved 5 world titles in my first 7 years of competitive activity across EVO, WCG, and DOATEC. I outlasted an elite international field while the current personalities were still in the audience.
Now we have top players backstage rehearsing choreographed sequences for the main stage then admitting on the timeline they were just "pressing buttons for fun." That is a recital, not a tournament. This scripted entertainment approach is ruining the scene. When you treat rehearsed theater like a religious experience where you are being talked to like a toddler on a morning cartoon show.
The public disagreement you see is just clout chasing from an echo chamber. They move the goalposts to protect a culture of mediocrity. They will devalue a high profile invitational full of world champions as "just an exhibition" to devalue the prestige of a win at an event like the Master Showdown, but then reach back 11 years to find an exhibition loss to use as a receipt. They try to frame technical criticism as a "social issue" just to avoid what I am saying. If an event has prestige, you show up to win. I don't care about the show or the performance. I am here for the reality of winning.
People making jokes about blue check revenue, asking if I am okay, or telling me to "work on myself" are just avoiding what I am saying. I have a 20 year receipt of dominance. I don't need the pennies from Twitter impressions or the simulation's approval to be relevant. My hardware is the receipt. Stop worshiping choreographed performances and put respect on REAL execution.
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@SonicFox Always the same shit whenever someone doesn't glaze you. "Salty" "jealous" "homophobic"
No mf people just give their takes it's not that deep
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@ChivesyChive @azrael__III @JSRingo You got offended over somebody making a point about how labeling a whole generation negatively is bad. You proved the point
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@azrael__III @JSRingo The funny part is how many of those "lgbtq scrubs" that would utterly body you.
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Bruh old niggas in the FGC gotta be studied fr. People like Arturo, Perfect Legend, etc, it's like they reach a certain age and then their IQ plummets like the Artemis 2 re-entering Earth. Arturo is on monkey crack or sumn idk but that nigga PL is deadass just dumb.
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@JSRingo Stupid as fuck to put Art and PL in the same conversation. Delusional shit
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@ThunderWavy @PeeWeeDaPlug I don't feel the way he does but I kinda get it. If it was a mutual mistake and you were just being polite then "you're good" could be taken as getting the blame
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@PeeWeeDaPlug I spam “you good” idk how you could take that as a slight😭
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Game of the year nominees are already getting crazy this year 🔥🔥🔥
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