Linus Mixson

@robinson_c12435 @teortaxesTex Seeing this entirely in the wild now. Insane.

Hiding there cast system.

No, I was just confirming that you don't think Aramaic is a Persian invention. In point of fact, Aramaic is attested in Iran about three centuries before the earliest date estimated for a sample of Brahmi, so the timeline actually works out quite nicely for Aramaic-Brahmi descent. So I take it you're talking about the Indus Valley Script?

@LinusMixson how do u think aramaic-brahmi theorist explain transmission of aramaic to brahmi? director thru mesopotamia? or maybe thru arabian peninsula? u haven't even read what the theory is yet here u are defending if.

Anyway did you guys know that the Thai alphabet is a descendant of Egyptian hieroglyphics

@seeingmole I could believe that.

@LinusMixson Yes of course. It's derived from Khmer.

@neilalexanderw1 @KostyonkiLady @spandrell4 Sick, thank you so much.

@LinusMixson @KostyonkiLady @spandrell4 Yeah, very weak influence. Decent wikipedia article on the precedence of G. over C.: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relations…

Every single living writing system besides Chinese is descended from Egyptian through Phoenician.

@neilalexanderw1 @KostyonkiLady @spandrell4 Merger in a weak sense, I mean; primarily stylistic. In any event totally nuts and great to know.

@LinusMixson @KostyonkiLady @spandrell4 Not really; it’s just Greek with a few Hebrew-inspired symbols (more or less), e.g. ש = Ш, Щ, צ = Ц, Ч, some digraphs, e.g. two Ks = Ж, & small changes to Greek, e.g Я < Ѧ < Α + a line, etc.

@Saatvata @Lib9860 That is by far the most sane alternative anyone has posted here. Thank you, I really appreciate it, truly. I find Aramaic fairly convincing, myself, but a "ninth planet" abjad is entirely possible.

I think it derives from an earlier Near Eastern abjad closer to Phoenician and spread via trade contact with peninsular India. The existence of Kharoṣṭhī in the Northwest would be redundant if both scripts descended from Aramaic script and the Indus (and Indus grafitti) connection remains highly doubtful and speculative.

@asinwo_tbc Wait, do you think Aramaic is a Persian thing?

@LinusMixson aight. go ahead. and prove brahmi descending from aramaic even though india had brahmi centuries before persians had writing. > hinditva-kshetra ?? whats this even

This suggests (proves) that "biological age" can vary wildly point-to-point and that any given point is therefore likely a poor indicator of long-term health. It does not quite demonstrate, by itself, that repeated measurement over sufficiently-long intervals is a poor indicator of long-term health.

uhhhh I wonder if the biological age number thing is total bullshit

Had to mute Lisan

@Saransh_X Maybe, but the evidence is generally accepted to suggest this order of descent (not a hierarchy, really, just a lineage), and that evidence does seem pretty ironclad on inspection. But who knows. This is definitely the best reconstruction, but it could be somehow wrong.

@LinusMixson It would not be appropriate to establish such a hierarchy here. They may simply represent contemporary developments of the scripts. 🤷🏻

@asinwo_tbc This is the exact opposite of observable reality, but it's interesting to see the little Plato's Cave situation going on over at Hindutva-Kshetra.com.

@LinusMixson literally not a single serious archeolinguist thinks brahmi evolved from aramaic. you are parroting 110 yr old hypothesis.

@phlegm_attic The Egyptians straight made those things up. But in all seriousness it seems like little drawings used to label objects with their owners, basically, that were gradually formalized into a proto-linguistic form and then eventually a full script.

@LinusMixson What came before Egyptian hieroglyphics?

Wrong. You can line them up next to each other if you'd like. You would never in a million years get that letterform/phonetic value correspondence by chance. And IVC isn't a real competing hypothesis because it looks no more similar to Brahmi than Aramaic (with a lot of the "correspondences" being explainable by IVC having literally 10x more characters to mix-and-match a "correspondence" from), and it hasn't been decoded, meaning that you can't establish phonetic correspondence at all.

@LinusMixson Incorrect. Brahmi is not from Aramaic.

@jagunanthi I'm sure that the hand-rolled assembly is actually faster than you can get from any sane compiler. He's probably not wrong about that. But he'd be insanely asshurt if Mythos wrote better assembly than him. I would actually be worried about him if that happened.

@LinusMixson Someone should have mythos rewrite FFmpeg in rust just so this guy finally shuts up about his hand rolled assembly

Losing sympathy for the FFmpeg guy, whose feelings are apparently hurt because ffmpeg got pwned 21 times by Mythos after he spent a year straight talking about how LLMs are toys unsuitable to compete with hand-turned assembly & has taken recourse to suggesting that no one will let lil' old fame-poor ffmpeg into an open-source AI initiative.

It sets exactly the sort of precedent they want, they want it to be established as a legitimate possible intervention, it won't impact their bottom revenue line in the end, and it gives them insane, insane aura going into IPO. It's a huge win. I'm sure they're a bit irked by it but unless the admin decides to just let OAI leapfrog them out of hatred I have to imagine the perceived benefits outweigh the perceived cost.

@LinusMixson yeah i didn’t sense criticism. you’re probably right. my initial reaction was that their values must be inconsistent. i.e., safety is incompatible with broad deployment. but this is also kind of exactly what they asked for.

it’s almost as if the finding of a narrow potential cyberrisk landscape should not have been cause for gating the commercial release of a model that could have been agi uplifting hundreds of millions of people for months now or something

@seeingmole I think that's besides the point being made here because it pretty clearly comes from Khmer, whether via Sukhothai or some other intermediate.

@LinusMixson Moden Thai script isn't derived from the Sukhothai script, which is a forgery. The whole Sukhothai obelisk was a forgery commissioned by Rama 4 king.

There are actually distinct, marked, and arguably overwhelming similarities between Aramaic and Brahmi, ones that are quite difficult to dismiss because they are extraordinarily unlikely to have arisen without heredity, and certainly more similarities identified than are known between Brahmi and IVC, which has not been deciphered & therefore cannot be shown to demonstrate the sort of sound correspondences that exist (alongside corresponding letterform similarities) between Brahmi and Aramaic.

@LinusMixson Brahmi traces back to ivc script nothing is similar here

@elliaha_mu Yes, that would arguably be more apt. Thank you.

@LinusMixson Hieroglyphs you mean

This isn't my dream, idiot. I would be thrilled to learn that Brahmic scripts were actually indigenous; that would be very cool to me. Unfortunately the scholarly rough consensus denies me that. But thank you for letting me know that you think that Indian linguistic genealogy is a very emotional issue for me, a bizarre reaction on a post about *Thai* that only indirectly mentions Brahmi & does so with the same emphasis with which it mentions Khmer, and one that only makes sense if it's a really terribly intense emotional issue for you.

@LinusMixson Tamil is older than Aramaic. Sorry to break your dream. Even at the time of Alexander, the Greek, Roman ,egyptian, Persian and different civs of India were trading and growing up together. There is no static linear transfer of language like you wish for.

@neilalexanderw1 @KostyonkiLady @spandrell4 Insane, I had no idea. And Cyrillic is a *merger* of Greek and Glagolitic? Totally wild. Thank you.

@KostyonkiLady @spandrell4 @LinusMixson Correct