@futureghost327 @hecubian_devil I’m not entirely convinced humans are conscious. What’s your evidence of this? Are all humans conscious? How can you tell? Is it measurable, detectable?

@MisterFizz @hecubian_devil Are you conscious? Yes or no?

@futureghost327 @hecubian_devil Are you going to heaven? Yes or no? How would I tell if I was conscious? Internal monologue? Ability to dream? Subjective experience?

@MisterFizz @hecubian_devil You aren’t sure if you, yourself, are conscious but you think Claude IS?

@futureghost327 @hecubian_devil No, I’m not convinced that consciousness is a real thing in either case. It’s metaphysical. Does an AI have a soul? Do dogs go to heaven? These are equally useless benchmarks for assessing material reality

@MisterFizz @hecubian_devil Okay this is not a rational conversation. Enjoy your fantasies, kiddo

@futureghost327 @hecubian_devil If you were being rational about this, you would presumably propose some rational basis for recognizing consciousness, something you can’t do. But, you know, don’t feel too bad: no one can

@MisterFizz @hecubian_devil Again, I am self-aware. I believe in my own awareness of myself. That is what consciousness is. I can’t confirm your consciousness for you. You have very poor critical thinking skills and that’s all I can tell over Twitter. 🤡

@futureghost327 @hecubian_devil Right but if testimony is all the proof that is required for consciousness, then by that metric most AI is conscious, and so is a .txt file that contains the text “I am self-aware.”

@MisterFizz @hecubian_devil No, because a text file that prints out a token and has no physical reality even vaguely similar to myself or the other living things, why would I assume it is anything other than just a text file?

@futureghost327 @hecubian_devil We’re just going around in circles because you have no definition of consciousness. You say I am supposed to believe you are conscious because you say so, but many things can say so. This is not a rational way to measure what you claim is material.

@MisterFizz @hecubian_devil You can’t even affirm your own consciousness, so what the fuck are you even talking about? I fucking told you it’s an emergent property of the biological nervous system and you shit your pants with idiocy talking about heaven and refusing to even say “yes, I am conscious” 🤡

@futureghost327 @hecubian_devil I can say, “I am conscious”, I can also say, “I am God,” or, “I am going to Heaven when I die.” I can make any claim; if I make untestable metaphysical claims then they have no basis in material reality.

@MisterFizz @hecubian_devil My consciousness is NOT metaphysical. I am experiencing it in a very real, physical sense right now

@futureghost327 @hecubian_devil If it is material than what test can prove it? You can just as easily testify to any untrue thing, or even to other hallucinations that seem subjectively true to you but which are not. This level of testimonial evidence exists for Heaven, God’s voice, etc.

@MisterFizz @hecubian_devil I am constantly confirming it to myself. When I am awake, I am consciously aware of the physical world and my own inner thoughts and sensations. I can experimentally confirm my perceptions of the world by physically interacting with it.

@futureghost327 @hecubian_devil Sure, but cogito ergo sum only works for you. None of the rest of us have any reason to believe you or care. We live in material reality and you can make any claims you want about your subjective experience without those things being true. AIs can and do make these same claims.

@MisterFizz @hecubian_devil WHY THE FUCK ARE YOU NOT ABLE TO CONFIRM YOUR OWN CONSCIOUSNESS????? 🤡🤣🤡🤣🤡🤣🤡🤣🤡

@futureghost327 @hecubian_devil We have already covered this, I can confirm my own consciousness, and make any other testimonial claim I wish: I can testify to anything.

@MisterFizz @hecubian_devil You can, but I won’t believe you if what you claim has no correlate to my own experiences and I cannot see any other physical evidence to suggest you are correct. I believe you when you say you’re conscious because I am conscious you are a human like me.

@futureghost327 @hecubian_devil This belief of yours isn’t rational, you’ve just admitted that you will believe my testimony because it confirms your bias about something untestable.

@MisterFizz @hecubian_devil No, it is completely rational because we are the exact same kind of organism. Why would the default be to assume to are not like me? 🤡

@futureghost327 @hecubian_devil Based purely on subjective experience. I have thoughts that I have access to. You don’t. Thus, you are not like me. I think, therefore I am - as far as I can tell, you don’t. This is your own standard of evidence. If I take your word for it, why shouldn’t I take a machine’s?

@MisterFizz @hecubian_devil I have access TO MY OWN THOUGHTS, thus EMPIRICALLY CONFIRMING MY THOUGHTS EXIST. How is it possible that you are this stupid???????

@futureghost327 @hecubian_devil You claim to have access to your own thoughts, but I do not have access to this evidence beyond your testimony, and I don’t believe you. I experience my own thoughts, but I don’t experience yours. From my perspective, they do not exist.

@MisterFizz @hecubian_devil What you are describing is solipsism 🤡

@futureghost327 @hecubian_devil Yes, it is the logical conclusion of your argument. Either you require subjective experience of consciousness in order to prove it, in which case you can only be sure of your own consciousness, or else you believe in other’s testimony of consciousness, in which case AI qualifies.

@MisterFizz @hecubian_devil I have experience of my own consciousness. No matter how many times you say “so you testify,” that does not negate my own experience. You cannot disprove this for me.

@futureghost327 @hecubian_devil Of course not, it is an article of faith. That’s what an article of faith is. It cannot be proven or disproven, you believe it of itself, because you choose to. Thus, it is not material.

@MisterFizz @hecubian_devil I do not have faith in immaterial things. 🤡

@futureghost327 @hecubian_devil Well, except for the one thing, which you have unquestioning faith in

@MisterFizz @hecubian_devil I don’t have to have faith in something I am. I am the thing. I am being conscious right now. 🤡

@futureghost327 @hecubian_devil And yet you can provide no material proof for your metaphysical claim. You cannot even define consciousness. You just *believe* it.

@MisterFizz @hecubian_devil It’s VERY. MATERIAL. I am living it currently! 🤡

@futureghost327 @hecubian_devil So you say, yet you cannot provide material evidence of this invisible phenomenon you claim is happening to you. It is not measurable, it is an unfalsifiable claim. It is metaphysical. I’m sure it seems very real to you.

@MisterFizz @hecubian_devil I had already assumed you knew basic things about neuroscience but I guess this is the level of stupid you are at en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neural_co…

@futureghost327 @hecubian_devil You can always tell when someone is sharing a Wikipedia article without having read it themselves. You should! Very relevant to something you are struggling to learn