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@MisterFizz @hecubian_devil Come back after you take Logic 101

@futureghost327 @hecubian_devil > this proves the thing I said > if you read it, it specifically explains how it doesn’t prove that, you should read it > you lose! Haha 🤔

I don’t think LLMs are conscious and I doubt they are structurally capable of conscious experience. I’m partial to the idea that embodiment is a precondition of consciousness. But, full cards on the table, it is a little annoying the absolute *certainty* with which the anti-AI side (broadly, my side of these debates, I guess) proclaims this, given that we basically don’t understand what consciousness is, how it works, what gives rise to it, etc, in human or animal brains. Scientists can’t even agree if plants have subjective experience. Like, if you can’t empirically detect consciousness, explain its workings, understand what physical processes give rise to it, or even know which living things experience it, it seems to me you must have at least a *little bit* of epistemic humility about the whole thing. If we actually understood human/animal/plant(??) consciousness well, that would be one thing. But we don’t. We notoriously know almost nothing about it. Now, this would be annoying but basically trivial *if* we weren’t also ceding an opportunity to leverage the belief some people have in AI consciousness as part of mustering a broad political coalition to regulate AI. But it is really, really annoying that we are neglecting one possible avenue for mustering that support out of a totally irrational and empirically indefensible *certainty* about something which science and philosophy both fail to understand at minimum levels of adequacy (that something being human consciousness). Like, we’re throwing away a tool for reasons of pure ego, essentially. Again, I don’t think the machines are conscious. I strongly doubt LLMs are architecturally capable of *ever* being conscious. But I wouldn’t stake anything of serious value (like an organizing opportunity) on my belief here because that’s a waste, and *also* I really can’t claim certainty in my belief when I have no way of empirically evaluating whether something is conscious or not! Because none of us can!

@MisterFizz @hecubian_devil You are too stupid to realize how unbelievably stupid everything you have said is.

@MisterFizz @hecubian_devil You are a stupid, ignorant person with subpar reasoning. I dog walked your stupid shit 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

@MisterFizz @hecubian_devil The EEG correlates with my direct experience of consciousness, which WE ALL AGREE EXISTS. You are COOKED. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

@futureghost327 @hecubian_devil The EEG measures brain activity, it doesn’t measure consciousness. You run into trouble going down that road, even if it did: if you define consciousness mechanically, you admit it can be reproduced mechanically.

@MisterFizz @hecubian_devil I AM DEFINING IT BIOLOGICALLY, YOU DUMB BITCH 🤡

@MisterFizz @hecubian_devil I love how there is a whole Wikipedia article that vindicates EVERYTHING I said and you are still over here being an ignorant twat refusing to pay any attention to an ENTIRE FIELD OF SCIENTIFIC STUDY. You are a stupid bastard 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

@MisterFizz @hecubian_devil Notice “causality” of something implies THAT THING EXISTS. So you agree consciousness is a thing that exists that has measurable neural correlates. Good. You lose 🤡🤣

@futureghost327 @hecubian_devil You can always tell when someone is sharing a Wikipedia article without having read it themselves. You should! Very relevant to something you are struggling to learn

@MisterFizz @hecubian_devil you’ve been thoroughly destroyed

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@MisterFizz @hecubian_devil Causality makes no fucking difference as to whether or not there is a physical correlation. There IS. That’s physical evidence. It is NOT METAPHYSICAL, YOU DUMB BITCH 🤣

@MisterFizz @hecubian_devil I can directly correlate it with the fact of my conscious experience. 🤡

@MisterFizz @hecubian_devil I can put an EEG on my head and see how waves correlate with my direct experience of awareness. You are full of shit and getting NOWHERE. 🤡

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@MisterFizz @hecubian_devil I can correlate it with my own direct experience of consciousness, so you are wrong 🤡

@futureghost327 @hecubian_devil Being “awake” is colloquially referred to as being “conscious”, but this is not the same thing that is contemplated when we discuss the phenomenon of “consciousness”, ie subjective experience, ensoulment, personhood etc

@MisterFizz @hecubian_devil I had already assumed you knew basic things about neuroscience but I guess this is the level of stupid you are at en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neural_co…

@futureghost327 @hecubian_devil So you say, yet you cannot provide material evidence of this invisible phenomenon you claim is happening to you. It is not measurable, it is an unfalsifiable claim. It is metaphysical. I’m sure it seems very real to you.

@MisterFizz @hecubian_devil Which is utterly irrelevant to my material experience of consciousness, so you will NEVER win this argument 🤡

@futureghost327 @hecubian_devil Yes, unfalsifiable metaphysical claims are irrelevant to materialism

@MisterFizz @hecubian_devil I don’t have to convince YOU to prove to MYSELF that I am conscious. I do not need to provide you with any evidence whatsoever because I already KNOW consciousness is real because HERE IT IS 💀

@futureghost327 @hecubian_devil Sure, as with any article of faith, persuading me is not necessary, nor is any particular proof. To be rational and material fact, however, you need a higher standard of evidence.

@MisterFizz @hecubian_devil The religious experience does not correlate with different brainwave states. If I am conscious: alpha waves If i am unconscious: delta, theta, beta

@futureghost327 @hecubian_devil Your say-so may be subjective proof to you, but that’s not relevant to those of us rationally analyzing material reality. Better: An EEG of your head is proof that your brain is active, but not that you are conscious. You can watch EEGs of people having religious experiences too.

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