𝐓𝐫𝐚𝐧𝐬𝐈𝐧𝐭𝐞𝐫𝐩𝐡𝐨𝐛𝐢𝐚

@DisabledEsq @TTExulansic @heikateryna @GenCritThink @shamanspirit13 @HatzKatzn @TheLawfulEvil @Kassandra_Zerb @Apotto420 @edu_46XX @Onionfries73947 @PrishaMosley @thepeacepoet99 @dragonTKO95

@TransInterphobe @TTExulansic @heikateryna @GenCritThink @shamanspirit13 @HatzKatzn @TheLawfulEvil @Kassandra_Zerb @Apotto420 @edu_46XX @Onionfries73947 @PrishaMosley @thepeacepoet99 @dragonTKO95 Do you have thoughts or have you outsourced that part of your brain to hallucinatory machines?

This is Jeanne Nollman. She was born in the 1970s in New York. Her story is very typical for women with her condition: when she failed to get her period, her parents took her to the doctor. During that period of time, doctors were not always as honest as they should have been...

@Kassandra_Zerb @Kindun526 @HatzKatzn @DisabledEsq @heikateryna @GenCritThink @TTExulansic @shamanspirit13 @TheLawfulEvil @Apotto420 @edu_46XX @Onionfries73947 @PrishaMosley @thepeacepoet99 @dragonTKO95 You ass-u-me too much. Remember, she blocked you because you repeatedly misrepresented her position.

@TransInterphobe @Kindun526 @HatzKatzn @DisabledEsq @heikateryna @GenCritThink @TTExulansic @shamanspirit13 @TheLawfulEvil @Apotto420 @edu_46XX @Onionfries73947 @PrishaMosley @thepeacepoet99 @dragonTKO95 She never corrects Colin, prob because he has some influence. She the geneticist never corrected him for saying human embryos are sexless, or that genetic sex is not a thing.

@Kassandra_Zerb @Kindun526 @HatzKatzn @DisabledEsq @heikateryna @GenCritThink @TTExulansic @shamanspirit13 @TheLawfulEvil @Apotto420 @edu_46XX @Onionfries73947 @PrishaMosley @thepeacepoet99 @dragonTKO95 No, what's clear is that you continue to misread her. That's why she eventually blocked you. Because you repeatedly misrepresented what she said, and argued views that she says are not accurate. She repeatedly refers to Swyer's as people or persons; not male or female.

@TransInterphobe @Kindun526 @HatzKatzn @DisabledEsq @heikateryna @GenCritThink @TTExulansic @shamanspirit13 @TheLawfulEvil @Apotto420 @edu_46XX @Onionfries73947 @PrishaMosley @thepeacepoet99 @dragonTKO95 It's very clear what she means. But here's another post where she is very clear that Swyer's individuals are of the class of testicle havers - males. The part where she talks about her schema and their degenerated testes.

@DisabledEsq @TTExulansic @heikateryna @GenCritThink @shamanspirit13 @HatzKatzn @TheLawfulEvil @Kassandra_Zerb @Apotto420 @edu_46XX @Onionfries73947 @PrishaMosley @thepeacepoet99 @dragonTKO95 "You used "control" in a colloquial sense (meaning "influence" or "the power to change outcomes"). By claiming it's a "legal concept," Disabled, Esq. moves the goalposts, forcing you to defend your vocabulary rather than your actual point about expertise and clinical frameworks."

Hint: the person who “controls” clinical frameworks is exercising legal authority and acting within a legal framework (e.g., with things like birth certification, which is a legal process, as well as clinical practice, which has a legally defined scope and is held to various legal standards). That person is exercising direct or delegated authority to perform actions within legally defined entities. And so on. The legal system is always there, in the background, waiting to tell rogue doctors who is really in control. (And if Gemini tells you that “control” is only legally relevant for liability determination and you nonetheless credit and deploy that explanation, I have a bridge to sell you.)

@Kassandra_Zerb @Kindun526 @HatzKatzn @DisabledEsq @heikateryna @GenCritThink @TTExulansic @shamanspirit13 @TheLawfulEvil @Apotto420 @edu_46XX @Onionfries73947 @PrishaMosley @thepeacepoet99 @dragonTKO95 Yes, she doesn't. And there is no disagreement with Colin. Nor has she said they aren't sexless. Read the highlighted.

@TransInterphobe @Kindun526 @HatzKatzn @DisabledEsq @heikateryna @GenCritThink @TTExulansic @shamanspirit13 @TheLawfulEvil @Apotto420 @edu_46XX @Onionfries73947 @PrishaMosley @thepeacepoet99 @dragonTKO95 She doesn't. She recognizes it's not actually female development geared toward ova - it's just disordered male pathway. Here she is saying she disagrees with you and Zach. And she doesn't think they're sexless either.

@Kassandra_Zerb @Kindun526 @HatzKatzn @DisabledEsq @heikateryna @GenCritThink @TTExulansic @shamanspirit13 @TheLawfulEvil @Apotto420 @edu_46XX @Onionfries73947 @PrishaMosley @thepeacepoet99 @dragonTKO95 Find me where she said they're male. She has regarding CAIS, because testes is part of the male phenotype. She has never said Swyer's are. I also never stated she said they are female. I said because there's no male development. She accepts that clinical frameworks are different.

@TransInterphobe @Kindun526 @HatzKatzn @DisabledEsq @heikateryna @GenCritThink @TTExulansic @shamanspirit13 @TheLawfulEvil @Apotto420 @edu_46XX @Onionfries73947 @PrishaMosley @thepeacepoet99 @dragonTKO95 She did say they were make, just like CAIS are male with intersex condition. She thinks they should be ACCOMMODATED on account of their disorder, via an EXEMPTION, rather than because they are female.

@TTExulansic @DisabledEsq @heikateryna @GenCritThink @shamanspirit13 @HatzKatzn @TheLawfulEvil @Kassandra_Zerb @Apotto420 @edu_46XX @Onionfries73947 @PrishaMosley @thepeacepoet99 @dragonTKO95 This post was not about legal policy. And the convo was about clinical frameworks, that you and Disabled ignore. Both Grok and Gemini reviewed the convo, and agree that I used the word "control" in the common English usage context, not in a legal one. x.com/TransInterphob…

@TransInterphobe @DisabledEsq @heikateryna @GenCritThink @shamanspirit13 @HatzKatzn @TheLawfulEvil @Kassandra_Zerb @Apotto420 @edu_46XX @Onionfries73947 @PrishaMosley @thepeacepoet99 @dragonTKO95 Conversation was about the legal sense because we're discussing legal policy.

@TTExulansic @DisabledEsq @heikateryna @GenCritThink @shamanspirit13 @HatzKatzn @TheLawfulEvil @Kassandra_Zerb @Apotto420 @edu_46XX @Onionfries73947 @PrishaMosley @thepeacepoet99 @dragonTKO95 I never shifted goal posts. you introduced irrelevant ones. You are not an expert clinician in the care of DSD conditions. Therefore you have no professional opinion wrt DSDs, and your being licensed does not grant you any expertise regarding how these conditions are managed.

Yea you can keep shifting the goal posts. You've given up defending your original claims so we must therefore now agree I'm an expert specialist clinician providing direct patient care to people related to the medical implications of their DSD, as an allied health professional within my scope of practice.

@TTExulansic @DisabledEsq @heikateryna @GenCritThink @shamanspirit13 @HatzKatzn @TheLawfulEvil @Kassandra_Zerb @Apotto420 @edu_46XX @Onionfries73947 @PrishaMosley @thepeacepoet99 @dragonTKO95 Treating a condition and treating its effects aren’t mutually exclusive. Replacing missing hormones is treating the biological mechanism of a DSD, even if the syndrome itself remains. Managing symptoms is treating effects. Medicine routinely does both.

@TTExulansic @DisabledEsq @heikateryna @GenCritThink @shamanspirit13 @HatzKatzn @TheLawfulEvil @Kassandra_Zerb @Apotto420 @edu_46XX @Onionfries73947 @PrishaMosley @thepeacepoet99 @dragonTKO95 Is insulin treating the syndrome (diabetes) or the effects of the syndrome? Is the dexamethsone I needed treat the syndrome (adrenal), or the effects of the syndrome. Are cardiac meds treating the condition, or the effects of the condition. I picked the lane, you just disagree.

@TTExulansic @Kindun526 @HatzKatzn @DisabledEsq @heikateryna @GenCritThink @shamanspirit13 @TheLawfulEvil @Kassandra_Zerb @Apotto420 @edu_46XX @Onionfries73947 @PrishaMosley @thepeacepoet99 @dragonTKO95 Do you not see that the XXY female has the same etiology as the Swyer person? Yet developed ovaries because the second X that one finds in Klinefelter, resulted in ovarian development. The XXY female does not have Klinefelter. Swyer and Klinefelter were used for illustration.

@TransInterphobe @Kindun526 @HatzKatzn @DisabledEsq @heikateryna @GenCritThink @shamanspirit13 @TheLawfulEvil @Kassandra_Zerb @Apotto420 @edu_46XX @Onionfries73947 @PrishaMosley @thepeacepoet99 @dragonTKO95 Do you not see the word Swyer

@TTExulansic @DisabledEsq @heikateryna @GenCritThink @shamanspirit13 @HatzKatzn @TheLawfulEvil @Kassandra_Zerb @Apotto420 @edu_46XX @Onionfries73947 @PrishaMosley @thepeacepoet99 @dragonTKO95 No I don't. I correctly used the word "control" with the standard English use. Only you and Disabled want to insist it's a legal concept. Without explaining how. Most readers understand the standard English use. Few would interpret is as a legal concept in the scope of the convo.

@TransInterphobe @DisabledEsq @heikateryna @GenCritThink @shamanspirit13 @HatzKatzn @TheLawfulEvil @Kassandra_Zerb @Apotto420 @edu_46XX @Onionfries73947 @PrishaMosley @thepeacepoet99 @dragonTKO95 You have a very obvious difficulty perceiving the topic of a conversation correctly.

@TTExulansic @DisabledEsq @heikateryna @GenCritThink @shamanspirit13 @HatzKatzn @TheLawfulEvil @Kassandra_Zerb @Apotto420 @edu_46XX @Onionfries73947 @PrishaMosley @thepeacepoet99 @dragonTKO95 I've never claimed they don't have the syndrome. HRT is still treating the syndrome, by replacing supplementing/the hormones people with DSDs lack. Like a cardiologist treats a diagnosed heart condition. The patient still has the condition, it's just managed. same with DSDs.

@TransInterphobe @DisabledEsq @heikateryna @GenCritThink @shamanspirit13 @HatzKatzn @TheLawfulEvil @Kassandra_Zerb @Apotto420 @edu_46XX @Onionfries73947 @PrishaMosley @thepeacepoet99 @dragonTKO95 No, hormones treat hormone deficiencies caused by these disorders, just like speech therapy treats the developmental problems caused by these disorders. But they still have the syndrome. You haven't treated the underlying condition unless you got out CRISPR

@TTExulansic @DisabledEsq @heikateryna @GenCritThink @shamanspirit13 @HatzKatzn @TheLawfulEvil @Kassandra_Zerb @Apotto420 @edu_46XX @Onionfries73947 @PrishaMosley @thepeacepoet99 @dragonTKO95 You are not diagnosing or treating the DSD. You may have a person with a DSD referred to you by a physician and/or geneticist who diagnoses and treats the DSD condition. And the physician is one who has studied internal medicine, not a PCP/GP.

@TransInterphobe @DisabledEsq @heikateryna @GenCritThink @shamanspirit13 @HatzKatzn @TheLawfulEvil @Kassandra_Zerb @Apotto420 @edu_46XX @Onionfries73947 @PrishaMosley @thepeacepoet99 @dragonTKO95 I'm diagnosing within my scope of practice. That's... how it always works when you have an interdisciplinary team of specialist expert clinicians addressing various effects of a complex incurable disorder.

@TTExulansic @Kindun526 @HatzKatzn @DisabledEsq @heikateryna @GenCritThink @shamanspirit13 @TheLawfulEvil @Kassandra_Zerb @Apotto420 @edu_46XX @Onionfries73947 @PrishaMosley @thepeacepoet99 @dragonTKO95 That post is about the rare 47 XXY female. She is properly stating that XY is a genetic male by karyotype, but biology doesn't define sex by chromosomes, it determines sex by them. Definition is based on anisogamy. She is discussing determination, not definition. Not the same.

@TransInterphobe @Kindun526 @HatzKatzn @DisabledEsq @heikateryna @GenCritThink @shamanspirit13 @TheLawfulEvil @Kassandra_Zerb @Apotto420 @edu_46XX @Onionfries73947 @PrishaMosley @thepeacepoet99 @dragonTKO95

@Kassandra_Zerb @Kindun526 @HatzKatzn @DisabledEsq @heikateryna @GenCritThink @TTExulansic @shamanspirit13 @TheLawfulEvil @Apotto420 @edu_46XX @Onionfries73947 @PrishaMosley @thepeacepoet99 @dragonTKO95 She has never called them male. I was in that convo with you, her, and LP. There is no male sex development. That's why she says they are allowed in women's sports, along with CAIS. No male development, no male advantage. She blocked you for twisting her words.

@TransInterphobe @Kindun526 @HatzKatzn @DisabledEsq @heikateryna @GenCritThink @TTExulansic @shamanspirit13 @TheLawfulEvil @Apotto420 @edu_46XX @Onionfries73947 @PrishaMosley @thepeacepoet99 @dragonTKO95 Emma literally says that Swyer's is disordered male sex development. You're misrepresenting her words.

@TTExulansic @DisabledEsq @heikateryna @GenCritThink @shamanspirit13 @HatzKatzn @TheLawfulEvil @Kassandra_Zerb @Apotto420 @edu_46XX @Onionfries73947 @PrishaMosley @thepeacepoet99 @dragonTKO95 I used them in the context of physicians and geneticists, who are the ones who diagnose, and devise the treatment plan for, a person with a DSD. You do none of those. It is you who is shifting goalposts way from what my position has always been. x.com/TransInterphob…

@TransInterphobe @DisabledEsq @heikateryna @GenCritThink @shamanspirit13 @HatzKatzn @TheLawfulEvil @Kassandra_Zerb @Apotto420 @edu_46XX @Onionfries73947 @PrishaMosley @thepeacepoet99 @dragonTKO95 Yea you can keep shifting the goalposts all you want and continue to look ridiculous not knowing what terms like clinician and specialist mean.

@TTExulansic @DisabledEsq @heikateryna @GenCritThink @shamanspirit13 @HatzKatzn @TheLawfulEvil @Kassandra_Zerb @Apotto420 @edu_46XX @Onionfries73947 @PrishaMosley @thepeacepoet99 @dragonTKO95 You aren't diagnosing them, you are merely stating the code used by the treating physician for their condition, that the physician used in the referral to you. You are not a doctor who is treating the DSD condition, you may be treating something that is a result of a DSD.

@TransInterphobe @DisabledEsq @heikateryna @GenCritThink @shamanspirit13 @HatzKatzn @TheLawfulEvil @Kassandra_Zerb @Apotto420 @edu_46XX @Onionfries73947 @PrishaMosley @thepeacepoet99 @dragonTKO95 Hey so we actually also document their medical diagnoses in their charts. It's an interdisciplinary team and we're all treating the different symptoms of the incurable conditions.

@TTExulansic @DisabledEsq @heikateryna @GenCritThink @shamanspirit13 @HatzKatzn @TheLawfulEvil @Kassandra_Zerb @Apotto420 @edu_46XX @Onionfries73947 @PrishaMosley @thepeacepoet99 @dragonTKO95 No one claimed they don't have the syndrome. HRT treats the syndrome, under the supervision of a clinical specialist in DSDs, as in a doctor of internal medicine. They are still treating the DSD itself. They manage the care, and refer to other clinicians as needed.

@TransInterphobe @DisabledEsq @heikateryna @GenCritThink @shamanspirit13 @HatzKatzn @TheLawfulEvil @Kassandra_Zerb @Apotto420 @edu_46XX @Onionfries73947 @PrishaMosley @thepeacepoet99 @dragonTKO95 HRT only treats effects of the syndrome. It doesn't treat the syndrome. They still have the syndrome.

@TTExulansic @DisabledEsq @heikateryna @GenCritThink @shamanspirit13 @HatzKatzn @TheLawfulEvil @Kassandra_Zerb @Apotto420 @edu_46XX @Onionfries73947 @PrishaMosley @thepeacepoet99 @dragonTKO95 I can't help it if you can't differentiate between standard english us, and legal use. Because you and disabled are too dumb to comprehend the difference.

@TransInterphobe @DisabledEsq @heikateryna @GenCritThink @shamanspirit13 @HatzKatzn @TheLawfulEvil @Kassandra_Zerb @Apotto420 @edu_46XX @Onionfries73947 @PrishaMosley @thepeacepoet99 @dragonTKO95