@paleochristcon There's not. The best way to solve that issue is to abolish political parties altogether.
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RevanantLegi0n
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Let's make this easy.
If there is a single viable option outside the Binary of Republican and Democrat. Let's hear it.
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@spydrmancool @Slypador Also this isn't about morality but rether suicidal empathy.
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@0megaLegion @Slypador Thats....not how that works.
It doesn't become virtue signaling, just because it hasn't happened yet. Silly comment.
Your claim that it's all signaling is just a claim. People disagreeing with you doesn't make it signaling.
I'd press red if I thought it were more moral.
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@spydrmancool @Slypador The problem with hypothetical situations like this is that regardless of which side you take the outcome is the same because the theoretical consequences wont actually happen. It's like playing poker with chips that have no value. You dont lose or gain anything regardless .
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@spydrmancool @Slypador And I'd wish you luck. But until you do take the pill or push the blue button when potential death is on the table your just virtue signaling. Non pill takers and red button pushers are mostly just more honest.
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@0megaLegion @Slypador There r still so many factors:
How long before the antidote did you take the pill?
Will everyone that receives the antidote make sure they actually use it?
But assuming what you said:
Everything works perfectly. No human or technical errors.
I'd be tempted to take the pill.
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@suskullaonasiaa @bunburyoudoujp I've never pulled a Leverage in my life so i dont even know how that would work. The rest of what you said makes even less sense.
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@0megaLegion @bunburyoudoujp It's like you standing on an end of a bridge and the bridge is filled with children, elderly, adults, teens, disabled people.
And there's a leverage which you get to decide: Pull the leverage & kill all on the bridge out of fear to save yourself OR just dont touch the leverage?!
GIF
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@irishScott2 @CodyLibolt You are a retard. First off billions wont die. No one dies.its a hypothetical with no consequences for either side. Until you vote blue in a situation where you die if you lose stfu. Until the gun is against your head your opinion is irrelevant.
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@0megaLegion @CodyLibolt If red wins and kills billions of blues that's a downside for you directly if anyone you care about votes blue or you like electricity and water for the next few months, let alone the moral implications.
Anyway, adding the possibility to abstain is also throwing the chessboard
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It’s not that reds want the blues to die.
It’s that we don’t care what our enemies do to themselves, so long as they are not allowed to do anything to us.
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@lastlifeloser @KitsuneroVT Funny. Some guy called me racist for pointing out that the most sizable portion of the population that would vote blue would be western white people, and that red would win in a landslide if the consequences for voting blue were real.
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@KitsuneroVT as much as i like the idea of the blue button, I just personally can't trust enough people in the world would press the blue one. we are having people on HERE hitting blue, but if it was the WHOLE world... ain't no way i would hit blue.
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@irishScott2 @CodyLibolt How and what did any red voter lose? Also still waiting for an irl version of this poll to be taken where blue votes will actually result in death if they lose. I'd vote in that poll.
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@0megaLegion @CodyLibolt Yes, you are correct in that you threw the chessboard across the room after you lost, claiming that a real knight wouldn't move in a L-shape.
Congratulations
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@0megaLegion @CodyLibolt Yes, the hypothetical is in fact a hypothetical.
Reds have gone from "I'm 100% right" to "that's not what it says!" to "well it doesn't matter anyway"
Just adjust your worldview a bit and move on. You "rational" thinkers are getting really caught up in your emotions
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@bobda @sal_danger @selfmaxxer Brother man, if shit goes where the military is defending against something inside the US, I'm gonna be locked and loaded myself. I dont gamble with my life but I'll sure as fuck defend it. Blue button voters dont understand this concept.
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@0megaLegion @sal_danger @selfmaxxer I'll let the military know not to protect you when the time comes because it's foolish.
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I will just say it, the whole ''100% vs 50%'' argument from blues is a joke.
I don't care about reaching 100% survival rate, because those who died did so willingly. Don't suicide and make me responsible for your actions.
''B-but we have to save the retards''. Most blues think like that, therefore, you are the retards.
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@irishScott2 @CodyLibolt No emotions involved. Just pure logic. Until this is done irl and you have to vote on somthing where your life is on the line then your vote and opinion are irrelevant. The reality is that red voters were honest and blue voters are liars.
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@Goat11Smelly The most annoying aspect of this conversation is that the blue button pushers act as if they chose blue with the consequences that choosing blue would come with irl. In a hypothetical like this voting blue carries no risk, therefore they get no points.
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I find it very funny when blue button pressers pretend red button pressers wouldnt try and save someone from a housefire just because they won't enter into a suicide pact in a hypothetical.
Isaac Allwood@allwood_isaac
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@irishScott2 @CodyLibolt This poll literally carries no consequences for either side because its hypothetical. If blue voters want credit for voting blue lets do this for real. Blue loses you die irl. If blue wins nothing happens.
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@CodyLibolt By voting red, you are saying "I want red to win, I want all the consequences if red should win"
That's what a vote is. You don't get to ignore the second half of your decision, which is all red pushers seem to be doing
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@ZoomerHistorian Same in your former colony here in the US unfortunately.
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Our prisoners made a country so developed that the entire third world is trying to move there
What does that make your people?
indic mawnteé@indicmawntee
the irony when you realise that every WHlTE person in Australia is an immigrant or more like a prisoner dropped by Britishers 😭🥀
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@CursiveCrow @spiderking232 Blue isn't risking anything either. It's a hypothetical. You prove nothing by casting a vote with no consequences. Until voting Blue might actually kill you nothing you say matters. Maybe we should round up a thousand volunteers and do it for real. I'd still vote red. You in?🙃
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@spiderking232 Incorrect. Blue is choosing to prevent whatever mechanism will perform the killing. Pressing NO button also kills you.
You're allowed to press Red; but don't try to justify it as 'rational' or 'moral'. You don't want to risk your own life to prevent greater harm, that's it.
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Blue is killing themselves.
They choose the death button. Not the Red. The Eed is refusing to play the game.
You think the Red Button is Murder.
We think the Blue Button is Suicide.
We are not the same.
Spoon 🥄@___Spoon
BILLIONS WILL VOTE BLUE NO MATTER HOW MUCH YOU ARGUE AGAINST IT. DO YOU WANT TO KILL THEM OR NOT? NOTHING ELSE IS RELEVANT!
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@dylanhendricks @OrwellsNotebook My personal survival is more important to me than that of most other's. However this whole discussion is actually irrelevant. Because this is a hypothetical there are no repercussions for anyone. Until there's a vote where blue voters die irl the poll is irrelevant.
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@0megaLegion @OrwellsNotebook I understand your logic, but it only holds if by "win" you mean "I personally survive regardless of what happens to others, even if my action directly contributes to their death"
Hope that helps.
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Blue button people make two wrong assumptions.
1. Someone else will save them
2. They are worth saving.
Treyton@treyton8402
I didn’t even realize until today that literally everyone who choses red has to say a three paragraph essay cope about why “erm actually according to game theory the red button is most optimal…” like just be honest and say you’re a pussy and don’t want to die lol
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@ivix42 @Qarinah616949 @Slypador I'm white. Not sure how I'm being racist by crediting non whites with more common sense than a lot of white westerners. 🤔
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@0megaLegion @Qarinah616949 @Slypador Of course a racist comes to a retarded conclusion and opinion. Dumbest shit I've read from a Red so far.
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over the past couple days, it has been demonstrated that the majority of people on twitter are genuinely too stupid to understand cause and effect. they cannot fathom that pressing the blue button is what leads to one’s death.
these morons can all vote btw. democracy is dead.
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@dylanhendricks @OrwellsNotebook The logic is actually that red wins either way. Blue can only win under certain circumstances. Red is win win. Blue is win/lose. Hope that helps.
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@0megaLegion @OrwellsNotebook True. Neither of us have any evidence for how this would go in real life. But in every simulation of it blue wins, and red is 100% confident in their zero evidence hypothesis while lacking the ability to explain why blue always wins. Who's more confused about logic? Good luck
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@ToiletTweeting_ @CodyLibolt Most of the white women in western nations would die. But there would be plenty of women left. You'd just have to go to Russia, or one of the former Soviet block countries to get a white one. They are pragmatic enough to choose red.🫡
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@CodyLibolt In a red victory most of the women die and the people who post anime villain monologues about it to Twitter probably die virgins
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The red button people are correct.
We accept the consequences of a majority red outcome.
We believe it would be just fine if people had the freedom to choose between not committing suicide as non-communists vs. committing suicide as communists.
Your suicide is not our business. And in fact it might not be the tragedy for us that you think it would be.
This is the only rational position to take on this contrived exercise in guilt manipulation.
Don’t believe us?
CinnamonToastKen@cinnamontoastk
This red button/blue button discourse is wild. 100% red saves everyone no consequence 51% of blue saves everyone no consequence 51% red kills all of blue but they frame it like its blues fault they had to kill them even though red is the only choice that causes anyone to die.
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