Tom

I think these statements are equally unhelpful: - "nothing you can eat will help" - "just count calories and eat less" I also think arguing that starvation shows CICO works has issues, because you have to add a caveat like "eat less, but not too much less". That's a problem for me because there's no clear way to know on when someone is putting their health at risk by under-eating, like the biggest loser contestants or Minnesota subjects did. I think trying to find a universal framework like CICO or intervention like keto for healthy weight loss is a bit of a fools errand.

I have to disagree. If the confusion is around “eat HOW MUCH” less” then that needs to be perhaps better delineated but that doesn’t make “take in less energy” less true. That’s still a true point. Surely you’d not tell people eat three pizzas per day, yeah? And if I put you on a 30 day water and electrolyte fast, you wouldn’t dispute you’d weigh significantly less in four weeks. If people are hearing “nothing I can eat will help” and they will, then it’s not useful to tell people it doesn’t matter, especially when it decently does.

CICO is real. So what is actually going on with people who say it is not? Let’s the beg the question it’s “not working for them” so … why? And please let’s try to keep this constructive, even if the explanation is cognitive bias.

@CoffeeBlackMD @Will_of_Europa The more factors that impact CO, the more caveats "eat less, move more" needs, and the less useful it becomes as a weight loss heuristic.

@Will_of_Europa @tomusually Of course it can. Something changed on the OUT part of the equation.

@Will_of_Europa @CoffeeBlackMD CICO does explain that scenario (energy expenditure or storage density much have changed), just not in the causal direction of the "eat less, move more, lose weight" reasoning, which is wrongly conflated with CICO by many proponents.

@tomusually @CoffeeBlackMD CICO cannot explain why adding lithium to intake causes fat gain even without an increase of calories

Not sure which dimension(s) you're interested in, so here's a two expansions: - The one time in my life I intentionally lost weight, the lever I pulled was "move less, ignore calories". - On the other hand, people who pulled CI down and pushed CO up ended up less healthy: pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC49… I've also seen CICO proponents argue along the lines that you create a deficit IFF you eat less and move more, then react with denial or disbelief to people claiming (a) this didn't work or (b) they lost weight while eating more or moving less, despite the fact that (a) and (b) are both logically consistent with CICO. Making CI and CO the primary levers for weight loss works for some people, some of the time--but there are other levers that work more reliably in many cases, and telling them they need to CICO better isn't helpful.

@tomusually Expand on this please.

@arturzdepra @SketchesbyBoze "Fairy tales make rivers run with wine only to make us remember, for one wild moment, that they run with water."

@SketchesbyBoze It’s amazing.

If you want pleasure, if you want wisdom, if you want meaning, you need to read folklore and fairy-tales. Very few things in life have brought me more joy than these stories. Our world has gone astray because we dismiss the importance of the old tales.

r/keto is full of literal retards. I was banned for advocating a high-fat diet, and they told me that this is "dangerous."

It’s a stakeholder alignment problem made worse by the expectations of modern capital markets. What’s good for the investors (e.g. CalPERS and everyones 401k) is often not good for employees and customers. Cooperatives, employee-owned businesses, and credit unions fix this—but then they will be limited be lack of capital.

Enshittification is a popular topic now — we all see it, we all hate it — but has anyone figured out how we get out of this death spiral? What’s the move? Do we all need to bail on a business the second it begins?

@exfatloss @BowTiedYukon It would make flying easier, for sure.

@BowTiedYukon "6'4 personal trainer" hire me to be 6'4!

The IG personal trainer space is wild. Apparently you don’t even have to do a single rep of an exercise but can still be qualified to train people

@exfatloss If I make to the Austin phase of this bootcamp after next week, I've already scouted a walkable Target and Whole Foods. I'm thinking about 2 pints per day, and if those stores can't supply me, I'll uber to Cotsco Sunday while everyone's at church.

Me: "Four more pints of cream please." Her: "That is four in your basket." Me: "No, four MORE pints."

@trishtaylor @MicroBerto @SteveSkojec I think of myself as demographically X but culturally millennial. My friend who's a little younger than me turned into a cultural boomer, but he wisely started a family early.

@MicroBerto @SteveSkojec I was college class of 2000. Will have to read this!

OK. Got a lot of pushback on this. I’m a young GenX. Born in 77. I have more in common with older Millennials than older GenX. And older Millennials have more in common with me than younger Millennials. The Xennial thing is real, and I think it’s largely because of a specific cultural epoch.

@exfatloss Yes. They come wrapped in single serving sleeves. Just like Pringles.

@tomusually Wild. The last time I ate Oreos, I ate the entire jumbo pack. And every other time before that.

Just watched a friend eat 1 cookie. I can count the number of times I've eaten 1 cookie on 0 hands.

@seizuresalad @JEverettLearned Ah, the shoe is on the other foot for me here.

@tomusually @JEverettLearned When sharing with the masses, unfortunately it's like walking in a group - you're only as fast as the slowest person 🫠

@seizuresalad @JEverettLearned I wanted to yell at my phone with how slowly you were scrolling.

@JEverettLearned So I was on a very long road trip recently and as the passenger I was rather bored, so I decided to have ChatGPT help me with a wholesome little meteorological meme. If one is so inclined, here is a screen recording of the maddening exchange:

@exfatloss my "working" hypothesis

do heavy cream diet -> get computer job

@CarnivoreAugust @seizuresalad I might come back to it, but for the next to months I want the energy and clarity from strict keto for an intense bootcamp thingee.

@tomusually @seizuresalad No longer low vA?

Heavy cream over ground beef, topped with sauerkraut and kimchi and plenty of kosher salt. @seizuresalad this one is for you.

@SketchesbyBoze Ursula K. Le Guin didn't make the cut?

Ten books everyone should read before 17: The Hobbit Alice in Wonderland The Wind in the Willows The Westing Game Redwall Jane Eyre Passing King Arthur & His Knights of the Round Table The Phoenix & the Carpet The Box of Delights

@J_sedlezky @runquasimodo @ClausCarlsen1 @exfatloss ...or mushrooms?

@runquasimodo @ClausCarlsen1 @exfatloss Yeah those type of shows are way better with a group.

I left the Rezz concert after the first song i could not hang 😭 great Lyft back talking politics with Nour. Indian dude. Refreshing