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Caleb Howells

@Caleb_Howells25

Historian King Arthur: The Man Who Conquered Europe (2019) The Trojan Kings of Britain (2024) Writer for The Collector, Greek Reporter, and Timeless Myths

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Caleb Howells
Caleb Howells@Caleb_Howells25·
@Jorrit_Kelder @RaafHuns @adeymusto As Hans van Wees pointed out, Homer’s general descriptions of warfare, weapons/armour, and geography is basically consistent with a mythologised version of his own era, the Archaic Era. Regarding the relative date of Trojan War, consider these three points from Herodotus:
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Caleb Howells@Caleb_Howells25·
A close examination of the earliest evidence indicates that the traditional date of the Trojan War is several centuries too early: youtu.be/ZYH7VfphjxE?si…
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Caleb Howells@Caleb_Howells25·
When did King Arthur really live? This video examines what the evidence really shows and dispels common misconceptions that place him much too early in the stream of time: youtu.be/92VTAihHGKY?si…
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Caleb Howells@Caleb_Howells25·
@GeneralSpadez @Soul_ant19 There’s nothing in Homer’s account that suggests he’s referring to events that happened in the distant past. In fact, most ancient Greeks placed him between 50 to 150 years after the Trojan War.
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Grand Admiral General Spadez@GeneralSpadez·
@Caleb_Howells25 @Soul_ant19 We don’t know if that’s because Homer was describing armor from HIS time or armor from the event he’s describing. He was several centuries after so I wonder if they had armories that stored old armor or if he was using what he knew.
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Caleb Howells@Caleb_Howells25·
@hf_222222 @cwjones89 Allow me to be more forthcoming. I don’t believe that the legend of the Trojan War has anything whatsoever to do with the Bronze Age. I believe that it was an event that occurred in the early Archaic Era.
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Scott Smith@hf_222222·
@Caleb_Howells25 @cwjones89 It's like the attempt to dismiss the boar tusk helmet reference as the things having rarely survived into the Archaic era as heirlooms. But material survivals the author knew to be very old are a form of historical memory - And ones we might not otherwise have access to.
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Scott Smith@hf_222222·
A fun thing about the Illiad, is archaeology has proved out that it contains a surprising amount of genuine memories from the Bronze Age, from Hittite correspondence with Ahhiyawa, Troy itself etc. The main reason it isn't treated as a bigger source in itself is there is no
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Christopher W. Jones@cwjones89·
@hf_222222 This has been studied extensively. Look at M.I. Finley, The World of Odysseus for example. The society of Homer looks nothing like the world of the Late Bronze Age Wanax.
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Caleb Howells@Caleb_Howells25·
@hf_222222 All of the supposed Bronze Age memories perceived in Homer’s poems are more convincingly interpreted as simply mythologised and exaggerated elements from the Archaic Era.
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Caleb Howells@Caleb_Howells25·
@Yoshinori_Umeki @hf_222222 Then why are there no references whatsoever to the Greek Dark Ages in legends about the aftermath of the Trojan War?
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Chiba San@Yoshinori_Umeki·
@hf_222222 It, and the whole Trojan War cycle, are clearly stories of the Bronze Age Collapse.
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Caleb Howells@Caleb_Howells25·
@Rynocervs @hf_222222 They aren’t, yet the Assyrian Empire is mentioned in some legends about the Trojan War. This is just one of countless pieces of evidence that the Trojan War was in fact not an event of the Bronze Age, but was actually an Archaic Era, Iron Age event.
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Rynocervs@Rynocervs·
@hf_222222 Where are the Hittites even mentioned in the Illiad?
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Caleb Howells@Caleb_Howells25·
@bils_erik4115 @vikare06 Virgil did not present the idea of the Trojans founding Troy, nor is Aeneid even the source that presents Romulus as Aeneas’ son, as the OP mentions.
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VIKARE@vikare06·
Ok I will just comment on this once and for all. The Oddyssey and the Iliad are myths but for us italians they are part of the foundation of Italy. Aeneas, a trojan hero fled after the fall of Troy and his son Romulus founded Rome and hence Italy was born. We ask for some respect to this story
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I’ve also heard from a trusted source Odysseus speaks modern English, which isn’t invented until 3000 years later. Where were the historians?!?!?

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UrosV@s3py·
@vikare06 Since when is Romulus Aeneas' son?
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Caleb Howells@Caleb_Howells25·
@Blutch88 @iosif_lazaridis A trireme would not be accurate, since that type of ship came long after the Trojan War and isn’t described by Homer.
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Blutch@Blutch88·
@iosif_lazaridis Is the first image a cemetary? When the greeks famously burned their dead, they didn't bury them? And then a fkin viking drakkar? Couldn't rent one of the trireme replicas that exists?
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Caleb Howells@Caleb_Howells25·
@pureMetatron Metatron, is it your opinion that Nolan should have gone with Archaic Era helmets or Mycenaean Era helmets?
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Metatron@pureMetatron·
Let me get this straight. Nolan's costumes are actually worse than I thought, and my bar was cosmic low. Agamemnon? More like Batman with a hint of Warhammer 40k.
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Caleb Howells@Caleb_Howells25·
Was England already English before the Anglo-Saxons arrived? This video takes a look at this intriguing theory: youtu.be/IZI8hQ7BYcA?si…
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Iosif Lazaridis@iosif_lazaridis·
Re-imagined. I chose Hom. Il. 4.358-359 (Agamemnon addressing Odysseus) διογενὲς Λαερτιάδη πολυμήχαν’ Ὀδυσσεῦ, οὔτέ σε νεικείω περιώσιον οὔτε κελεύω· "Zeus-born son of Laertes, Odysseus of many wiles, I neither quarrel with you excessively, nor do I command you"
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Bro, Im speechless. It looks 3D printed.

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