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@juliusfishes I agree in the beginning I think it’s fine to have dedicated time to build the skill to the desired level. After that dial it down to what fits your goals. IMO most guys should not make a lifestyle out of it (honestly think it can have a lower ROI than NG, depending on age)

You mean opportunistically Daygame as you go about living your life? TT used to say you need dedicated sessions to build the muscle. I actually do do this... But I don't have much of a life beyond work/DG sessions/gym. When I get my LTR, my guess is I'll re-invest the DG time into time with her + more gym.

Does Daygame get better as you progress? Before proceeding, why care if you progress? - Optimism: if you can believe you'll get better, that you'll see better results, that can be a comforting thought to continue. Daygame won't ever be easy, but they'll be better. - Meta gaming: even at peak performance, you're looking at 1:30ish -- I'd guess that's still 20ish hours of walking around. It's a slog. By finding ways to gameify the process, you have auxiliary motivation between notches. Treat it as a skill to Master. Men like mastering skills. What is "progress"? 1. Qualitative Do you get better quality? Do you have more enjoyable experiences? 2. Quantitative Do you get more notches? Do you become more efficient -- less time per notch, fewer approaches per notch? Do the number of approaches and total time spent change? #1 is harder to answer as it is more subjective (especially in a field where we have a tendency to reality weave); though frankly I am more interested in that. I'd be OK with fewer notches for higher quality (with the caveat that not having continual successes makes the grind much harder). #2 we have data -- harder to compare absolutes across guys, geos, times, preferences, etc... But there is a trend among the credible London crowd (post Gen-1). Roy Walker's public data: '14 364   1:94 '15 541   1:108 '16 1000 1:58 '17. 882  1:51 '18. 566  1: 31 '19. 650  1:29 TC's public data: '16 208   1:104 '17 1430 1:79 '18 815   1:58 '19 570   1:41 [Redacted DGers] -- not mine, can't find their blog but I have it stored: '21, 611 1:153, '22 713  1:89 '23 398  1:57 '24 450  1:35 Trend #1 - Ratios improve. It looks like a fairly large ~30-50% jump ~the first 12 months. It looks like as they continue there is a gradual decline in ratios toward our terminal 1:30. - Quantity decreases: the total # of approaches go down over time. So what do we make of this? Reading an old [redacted] blogpost (he took his blog down so I assume he'd prefer I didn't mention who wrote this). I think reading this highlights where the improvement comes from > I belive that ratios can indicate where you sit on the spectrum between the two main types of daygame. They go as follows: > Skill Based – this is where you view daygame as a skill set. You are picking your sets based on an experience driven knowledge of what sort of girls are likely to be open to your approach and the ones that you truly find attractive, then applying an authentic impression of yourself onto the girl. The approach is tailored to the girl and you’re calling out what you genuinely like about her rather than relying on cliched lines > Dancing Monkey Game – this is where you throw shit at the wall and see what sticks. Characterised by spam approaching, zero ability to discern what girls are good and bad sets, a lack of empathy and an inability to see how some of your approaches are bordering on harassement as well as overly dramatic front stops, burning streets and cities with zero thought towards other daygamers and repeating the same formulaic lines on every girl The first paragraph: > You are picking your sets based on an experience driven knowledge of what sort of girls are likely to be open to your approach and the ones that you truly find attractive, Improve the denominator in the ratio - approach fewer women (consistent with both pieces of data) > then applying an authentic impression of yourself onto the girl. The approach is tailored to the girl and you’re calling out what you genuinely like about her rather than relying on cliched lines The charisma, "technique", skill improvement. There is hope, keep grinding...

When you devote yourself to learning a skill, you put yourself on a path This path is what will transform you, because you will have to deal with and overcome: • fear • adversity • frustration • self doubt • embarrassment • jealousy • hubris • greed • loneliness

@juliusfishes Yes bring in the other aspects (holiday, exploration, exercise, time with friends, listening to podcasts, life stuff: shopping, museums, galleries.) To get the best bang for your buck.

> With dg there can be a lot of walking around between interactions. Yep. I complain about it quite a bit. To help: (a) Meditatively scan the crowd looking for opportunities (b) Enjoy being outside in a beautiful European city -- I am quite the introvert, before DG, I rarely left except for gym/see friends/maybe a date or two with my ex (c) Wings. Wings are a cheat code. Especially cool mofos (aside: why are good wings often gingers). The bottom-line: DG is the best method if you are optimizing for quality. If you don't care about that, do online.

@juliusfishes Right. And I get it some people just love the game. Or maybe on holiday and you’re walking around anyway. Personally I could only justify it up to a certain amount per month (with podcasts+exercise) after which that time was better invested in other pursuits. Just my opinion

@IntrovertSigma1 The thing is, my suspicion is for most DG-eligible guys with some realistic SMV in even a reasonably generous SMP, you're still looking at ~20-30 hours of sessions per notch. So if you do 3 sessions of 2 hours a week, that's a month of sessions per notch.

@juliusfishes 2/ I understand the adventure aspect, I’ve had the dg sdl. But I think it’s good to think about how you spend your time. This is not like learning the piano where even ‘boring’ fundamentals can be fun and musical. With dg there can be a lot of walking around between interactions.

@juliusfishes 1/ I think once you hit a skill level that you’re happy with you have to decide how much time you’re willing to put in outside of approaches done as you’re living life, and modified by extra benefits (exercise, exploration, listening to podcasts etc.) I’m not a dg hater…

@juliusfishes 2/ …very good or elite in some other skill. Some people just love dg in itself but for me the reward to hours ratio (it’s not the effort it’s the time) did not seem worth it. And what does elite skills bring higher quality or a slightly higher closing rate.

@juliusfishes 1/ What interests me is the diminishing returns curve. Is there a points after which extra time put in to skill building is time that could better be spent building other skills. Personally I decided that being somewhat competent was good enough and I would rather be…

Mickey Rooney and Ava Gardner #oldschoolcool

@FWPlayboy Mickey Rooney did really well back in the day. Yes he was a famous movie star but he was 5’2”

Game (Learned Charisma) is the single BEST thing to ever happen to UGLY MEN

@parttimedaygame It’s experiences like this that can turn a guy bitter if they don’t have positive interactions to balance it out.

A real dickhead response by the chick imo However the guy did not help himself with those opening texts either She should have just ghosted him instead No need to be so cruel lol

@FWPlayboy It’s things like this that make you believe that the elites are controlled by the illuminati.

Men LOVE to be married! Him- Famous, wealthy, professional race car driver, loved and chased by millions of eligible women, never married. Her- Busted, blown out, amateur porn, reality tv, town bicycle, married 3 times. Of course! Men LOVE to be married!

@aruvinchan From West to Central Europe. I ran the numbers and it confirmed my taste

@IntrovertSigma1 Where did you move to and from where?

One of the biggest advantage that experienced guys have is this: We can look back at all of our lays, and we can draw commonalities across all of them. Their race, their clothes, their make-up, their occupation, their age, etc. etc. You will eventually realize that there's a "type" that likes you. Yes, we men will sleep with anything, but even then you'll realize you have special pull with a specific demographic. It can be Latina nurses who are single moms. White preppy suburban college students. Black-ass hood rats (unfortunately this demographic seems to respond the most to me, maybe they respond the most to everyone lol, not a fan but I'll still take it). I did a "survey" on my lay list before, it's like 36% black, 23% white, 23% Asian, 18% Latina. Once we know what kind of girls likes us, we can then focus our energy and effort on those girls who exhibit the same characteristics and just skip the ones that don't. Efficiency, gentlemen. Get to the lay with as little time, money, and work as possible.

@DexterDaygame How big is the company?

IOI at work ? This girl at the office who I don't work with keeps coming by to chat. Two times lately she's been asking me to come over and fix her laptop because "something happened it doesn't work". Both of those times the "problem" was it plugging in the charger...

All of the best things in life require a degree of embarrassment, or at least the possibility of it. Dancing, singing, sharing art, cooking food, having sex, holding hands; there is risk in it all. You could burn dinner or sing off key; no act of self expression or love is exempt from this danger.

@FWPlayboy Lines, gambits and routines have fallen out of favour because they can’t make up for a lack of personality, aura or presence but sometimes there is way to communicate so much so efficiently it would be crazy not to do so.

Lines WORK So USE them

@MarcTan1970 @buglepong @romanhelmetguy Well obviously this is what happens when high trust is abused by strangers

@IntrovertSigma1 @buglepong @romanhelmetguy I am sure all is great in the Scandinavian high trust societies. x.com/RMXnews/status…

Singapore is not a high trust society, it’s a port city where order is enforced by a draconian police state that canes people for stuff that isn’t even a crime here. If that police state disappeared next Tuesday, you’d have a race war by the weekend. Nice place to visit though.

@MarcTan1970 @buglepong @romanhelmetguy myfirstnursery.co.uk/blogs/news/why…

@IntrovertSigma1 @buglepong @romanhelmetguy So you are tells me people will leave their babies outside in carriages in Malmo are the time?

@Thzer0r Frame this

Your mission is a byproduct of your natural archetype and the strength of your archetypal personality is determined by how faithfully you pursue your mission