Beyond Expected

@RedWingDiehards The Walman situation was baffling. But it was clear something soured that situation. Yzerman wasn't even willing to comment on it.

While they would have loved to keep Lyon, at the time they didn't want to give any goalie term. Even Lyon's short two year term. It wasn't picking Talbot over Lyon. It was making room for Cossa next year. Lyon expressed he wanted a significant role. And he wasn't going to get it here behind Gibson and Cossa.

Questionable DET NHL Roster Personnel Decisions since 2023: Moved off Hronek and his 30-40 points a year while he had one year left on his deal. Missed playoffs the following year via tiebreaker, not points. Got ASP in return which is a possible wash or upgrade, but it’s not immediate and it’s not a guarantee until it actually happens in the NHL. You could’ve waited a year and bet on him still fetching a first, especially if bolstering the offense for 23-24 was the plan. Is the vision clear or reactionary? Maybe he was worth the money for an extension too. Was max term truly unavoidable? Isn’t that the GM’s job to negotiate that down and sell a vision? Because the right side of our defense is still pretty suspect in 2026. Moved off Tyler Bertuzzi who is still outputting Top 6 offensive numbers (actually having a career year this season on a rebuilding team) for a first round pick that ended up being the pick used in the DeBrincat trade. If you remember this was a tough one in the Detroit locker room. Detroit still had other ammunition for a DeBrincat trade especially considering he leveraged himself to Detroit. Again one year before missing playoffs on a tiebreaker. The veterans we brought in since are certainly not scoring 30 goals a season. We do know you can’t win in the NHL without scoring goals right?​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​ Trading Walman (plus a second round pick) and getting nothing back only for the team you traded him to flip him for a first round pick 7-8 months later. Not here to debate the trade but if you’re going to move real offensive output off your blue line you have to get something back. There is no arguing that if you trade away an NHL player getting you 10 goals and 20-30 points and replace him with nothing your team loses real NHL offense and has to make that up somewhere else. They haven’t done that yet, they’re on track to score less than 240 again. Worst optics of the Yzerplan so far from the outside looking in come from this trade.​​​​​​​ Mishandling of losing Gostisbehere and deciding to replace him with Erik Gustafsson. We can argue “Ghost didn’t wanna re-sign” but you got him to sign once and should’ve been able to get him to extend even 1-2 more years while you let ASP develop further. Seems like a pretty easy transition plan from a guaranteed 45-55 points on the back end. But you don’t and replace him with Gustafsson who has gotten you 18 NHL points in 2 years and in a way maybe forced you to rush ASP 1-1.5 years too early. This one is unique because it’s where the pro scouting blunders and the weird choosy player development patterns intersect.​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​ Honorable Mention: Favoring aging Cam Talbot over Alex Lyon as which goalie to keep as you pursue John Gibson in the Summer of 2025 and let your goalie prospects develop for another year or two. Or did you just randomly decide down the 24-25 stretch that summer was the right time to acquire a better solution in your NHL crease? Again what is the vision? Is it clear or reactionary as we go? Gotta have good veterans as you rebuild. There are 100 ways to build a hockey team but if you cannot score goals you will be average to mediocre to bad. There is no good or great if you can’t score. The Red Wings have scored over 240 goals one time since 2010-11 and it was in 2023-24. I ask one last time, what is the vision? Is it clear or reactionary as we go? #LGRW

@BrianFisherLORW They should have to pay for all our therapy bills

@bshebib39 @ProfessorLGRW Again it's ok that you think that's the better plan. But they've committed to a different plan.

@BeyondXGoals @ProfessorLGRW Should have opened by now And again, most prospects fail. That's just a statistical fact. Look at Minnesota. A decent team, then they make the bold Hughes trade. They took a giant leap. Sometimes you have to take a shot to get better.

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@bshebib39 @ProfessorLGRW So if Yzerman said he wants to build through the draft, And players are in their primes from 23 - 31, And his drafted players are 18-24, When is our window?

@BeyondXGoals Because you can't argue what I'm saying, only wait a few years That's a common refrain. Hell @ProfessorLGRW literally laughed when I jokingly said they'd win the cup by 2030 and he told me that's too soon. I mean where the fuck are the standards?

@bshebib39 And the circle starts again.

@BeyondXGoals Edvinnson isn't impactful. He's only ok. You're flailing This team has a talent AND culture problem. They don't want it. They don't hate losing.

Honestly I'm just going to block you. I've already told you who is impactful. Seider, Raymond, and Edvinsson. And then you say "THREE IN 7 YEARS!" and then I say "The others are too young. They won't be entering their prime until they're 23-25." And then we do the cycle all over again. But you accuse me of avoiding questions.

@BeyondXGoals Again. Tell me who looks IMPACTFUL. You like to avoid that. I'm fully aware the plan. And I'm fully aware that the majority of draft picks fail. If that's the core plan, we will never get out of this Its ok to admit a plan isn't working

We've been doing this for a week. What is your problem. I said Yzerman repeatedly told us he would build through the draft. I said that players enter their primes between 23-25. I said when his core prospects enter that age range we'll know if the plan failed or not. If you don't like that, or if you don't agree with that, it's ok. It's alright man.

@BeyondXGoals I've tried that in the past. All I get from people who support this is "I don't know puck" and "trust the Yzer-plan". You point out young players. Cool Which one looks like they will be IMPACTFUL NHL players. And it's more than talent. It's toughness. Not enough of either

@bshebib39 No one hates losing more than me. I just understand what the plan is. But honestly I don't like talking to you. You don't actually engage in a real conversation.

@BeyondXGoals Do you enjoy watching this garbage every day?

@bshebib39 Do you enjoy doing this every day?

@BeyondXGoals No he's good. Is he elite? Not sure. Sure don't notice him out there. So that's 2. In 7 years.

@bshebib39 Oh you think Raymond is bad?

@BeyondXGoals Damn He got one right. What a drafting wizard.

@bshebib39 Not too shabby right. People have even been talking about Seider being in the Norris conversation.

@BeyondXGoals Those youngins look fabulous and impactful. Nice drafting Steve

@bshebib39 😂😂😂😂😂

@BeyondXGoals 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

@bshebib39 They're 20-24 years old. They're not even in their prime. Relax.

@BeyondXGoals That's great. And they are a terribly mediocre team with them. Literally 2 truly impactful players in Seider and Raymond. Everyone else is decent at best.

@bshebib39 Today we have 8 Yzerman draft picks playing. Three 24 year olds One 23 year old One 22 year old Two 21 year olds And one 20 year old That's a third of the team. But you're too impatient for the rest of them to show up.

@BeyondXGoals Nope. It shouldn't. And his first draft was 7 years ago. Those aren't that young

@DB56522 @RedWingDiehards What a child

@BeyondXGoals @RedWingDiehards Shut up moron

You can tell that all these people yapping about Larkin have never had to lead a group of people in anything. The DNA of the roster makeup is conflicted. You have 3 guys in 53, 71, and 93 who seem to always have their motors going. That’s in their DNA. You can make the argument for a couple other guys to be in this group too. Then you have a few other guys who are capable of having their motors going but it’s too inconsistent. Couple games here and there but can’t put it all together or are too young and still figuring it out. They are either too inconsistent to know what their DNA is or are young and still figuring that out. This leads to a mixed bag of good and bad output. Then you have the rest (which is like seemingly half) who have their motors going once a month or less. Too many guys who treat two-thirds (or more) of the season as cardio and nothing else. That is their DNA, hard for them to have a reliably helpful output due to lack of talent, effort or care (idk what it is). Completely unreliable when the pressure is turned way up. Maybe the “boss” (ownership; management) should hire better “employees” (players) who aren’t just looking for a paycheck and are looking to be a part of a solution for the Detroit Red Wings Hockey Club. All you’re doing is screwing over the core by surrounding them with “bad employees” who “call in” way too often. What are Larkin, DeBrincat, and Seider supposed to do about all that other than continuing to be the best players on the roster night in and night out?

@DB56522 @RedWingDiehards Also you need to learn how to talk to people. Learn to be an adult.

@BeyondXGoals @RedWingDiehards They're what ifs they pan out to their potentials but yeah sure keep being a moron

@DB56522 @RedWingDiehards To them it's not a gamble. To them it's developing players. They spend millions of dollars to get these players to reach their "potentials" and beyond.