@joannejang Why do you write in all lowercase letters?
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@wizardbrainz @longiy @SebAaltonen Utility of these goes to 0 because there will be a million clones since they can be churned out quickly without skill, and discoverability of common trash goes to 0 too, artisan quality has the edge again.
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@longiy @SebAaltonen The majority of games, even the less commercial creative ones are products though - whose utility is measurable. I see @SebAaltonen thinking as product centric too btw. And it's looking like AI will sail past the slop to the Uniqlo/H&M fast fashion stage very soon.
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Unpopular opinion: Nobody will make money by single shotting a game or app. There's always somebody else who is willing to put in more effort. You spend 15 minutes, they spend a whole week. Of course their product is better. You beat their 1 week product with 1 month product, etc
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In a world where "everything is just layers on top of a win32 message loop" this could hold water, but there is something even more performant than handling raw messages yourself: stepping out of the way and letting the OS handle more things. Case in point: Composition APIs
Dave W Plummer@davepl1968
There are now only two acceptable ways to build a user interface on Windows. You can do it like the old Task Manager: You can call GetMessageW() in your message loop and handle every WIN32 message properly. This is the way for important things that must be performant. Or, you can vibe-code your HTML/CSS and treat it like a black box, hope it works most of the time, etc. This is the way for large, complex interfaces. I don't see any application that requires anything beyond these two approaches. The days of hand-coding interfaces in Electron are over.
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@Julien4Future @devongovett No one's talking about phones here. This is a discussion about power-user interfaces on PC. That era never ended for people building software
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@devongovett Command palettes are desktop era crutches. 10x more people work from phones than desktops. Unstructured data like voice and touch is the real interface evolution.
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Another case of programmers making all UIs into a terminal. Command palettes are a huge UI cop-out. I hate apps that have commands that are only available in these things. Most people will never discover them. Thatโs why we invented menus and buttons. Design actual UI!
Nic Barker@nicbarkeragain
I'm completely convinced at this point that the "Command Palette" is a fundamental UI concept, and should be in all applications. It should also be a built in browser concept, there should be an API for websites to push items to the command palette ("new post", "muted words" etc)
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@SilasOnLinux @yawaramin @LukasHozda So when he mentioned rewriting his react app into htmx, you thought of PlayStation 5 & vr headsets? What relevance do these non sequiturs have in regards to the obvious scenario of replacing api calls to server calls and hosting the new thing on a server? Why did you ask "how"?
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@yawaramin @LukasHozda Yes but thatโs the point. React is not tied to browsers. Itโs just a generic library. It can run on a web server or web browser or pc or the whole PlayStation 5 ui or your phone or be headset.
It doesnโt care where and what elements itโs working with.
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Me at night remembering I can rewrite my years old Reactslop into HTMX
horse@horseimage
horse lying down in stall struggling to sleep waking up switching positions frequently insomnia and late night thoughts
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@lemire Their delusional obsession with cloud and seeming resentment of Windows itself. Comes from the top. What a waste of a good native platform they could maintain and make high quality.
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I am in Microsoft Word. I press Copilot. I ask for a table.
The AI can't modify the Word document so it creates a new document in the cloud. It then allows me access the document through a link. Presumably I am supposed to go there, copy the table and put it in my Word document myself.
Who designed this ?
This is so obviously a low-effort implementation that I am baffled. It is almost as if they wanted to fail.
Why can't Microsoft see that having direct access to Microsoft Word is an incredible edge that they could leverage to embed the AI directly?
It is almost comical.
Imhotep@hiddenmarkov1
@lemire I was in excel. I wanted some visuals for my data so I hit the Copilot button and told it do make an infographic of my data. it said I don't have access to the data, you need to upload it. Even though the sheet with the data was literally next to the Copilot window.
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@etscrivner "I would have written a shorter letter, but did not have the time."
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Deeply experienced software devs eventually realize the hard thing that takes tremendous talent, experience, and taste is writing the fewest LOC possible.
Low LOC has significant benefits across every metric that matters. Entropy management is the whole game.
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@MatthiasPorges @khmyznikov No, UI animations are a good thing.
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@SonofNun Are these immediate mode, and in C# or C++?
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I decided to also create my own WinUI 3 Markdown renderer in Win2D to help with rendering of LLM messages.
It even supports code block syntax highlighting by sharing code with the code editor control.
And of course it supports tables.
Joshua the son of Nun@SonofNun
I couldn't find a good code editor control for WinUI 3, so I just made one myself. Will be very useful for @JericodeApp (Still a few things to iron out, but I'm happy with it so far)
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Please return native windows framework core foundation back to Windows.Ui.Composition. Will solve 5 year old bugs like this (and many others) that are insurmountable w/ inefficient lifted compositor in WinUI3 which causes ugly resize bug on all apps & other missing features vs old UWP/Windows.UI.Composition github.com/microsoft/micrโฆ
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Huge foundational problem for WinUI is the lifted compositor, Microsoft.UI.Composition derivative instead of DWM integrated Windows.UI.Composition. Causes all sorts of platform problems, bugs, jankiness, flickering, and lack of feature parity to UWP w/ a pointless "benefit" of being usable on Windows 10, an unsupported OS. Go back to OS-integrated composition layer. The quality & polish will increase: x.com/mountain_codinโฆ
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Iโm building a new team to work on Windows apps! You donโt need prior experience with the platform, what matters most is strong product thinking and a deep focus on the customer.โจโจIf youโve built great apps on any platform and care about crafting meaningful user experiences, Iโd love to hear from you. Send me your portfolio via DM.
If you know someone looking for their next opportunity, feel free to share this with them!
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This space needs more haters. Donโt feel bad. Youโre allowed to believe your eyes. Criticism is so taboo here that we have basically zero antibodies for bullshit.
Michele Riva@MicheleRivaCode
I hate to be perceived as a hater - I am not - but as a professional, experienced, senior engineer, nothing I read here is impressive
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@MicheleRivaCode > professional, experienced, senior engineer
Probably not the target of his sales pitch
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@swyxio AI industry makes revenue per token, so LOC = more tokens. This won't fool experienced devs, but the audience for his marketing schtick are the same people who were told AI will be best utilized by those who don't know how to code. Self-serving ego boost for vibe coders.
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I hate to be perceived as a hater - I am not - but as a professional, experienced, senior engineer, nothing I read here is impressive
Garry Tan@garrytan
Absolutely insane week for agentic engineering 37K LOC per day across 5 projects Still speeding up
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@Jonathan_Blow He's just "talking his book"
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@swyxio AI industry makes revenue per token, so LOC = more tokens. This won't fool experienced devs, but the audience for his marketing schtick are the same people who were told AI will be best utilized by those who don't know how to code. Self-serving ego boost for vibe coders.
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Wow, I had not even seen this one:
x.com/garrytan/statuโฆ
Full-on victim of AI psychosis???
Garry Tan@garrytan
Iโm trying to teach software engineers that their sacred cow of โLOC is badโ is probably wrong in agentic engineering You wonโt believe that in another 5 years
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These statements inherently damage YCโs reputation because either (a) Garry has incredibly poor judgement, which affects the companies chosen and mentored; (b) He is just BSing and knows it, which means YC is not trustable; (c) He is correct, then WHAT ARE ALL THE COMPANIES FOR?
x.com/garrytan/statuโฆ
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@swyxio AI industry makes revenue per token, so LOC = more tokens. This won't fool experienced devs, but the audience for his marketing schtick are the same people who were told AI will be best utilized by those who don't know how to code. Self-serving ego boost for vibe coders.
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@nicola_sosio @stuffbreaker @stolinski A more niche framework might have a higher proportion of higher skilled devs using it and therefore better code that LLM's trained on, vs the massively popular one which has a huge volume of bad code affecting the AI output. Quantity and quality are often in tension.
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Over engineered react patterns have poisoned how AI writes Svelte and other framework code. Like yo, it doesn't need to be that complicated.
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@pikuma > my beef is with twitter hustlers.
Block them, and help the algorithm. Especially if you're retweeting them thus boosting their engagement.
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This book has been shared on twitter countless times, and it appears in my timeline almost every month. As always, I'll bet money that almost 0% of those sharing have read even 20 pages of said book.
PS: It's actually a good book and my beef is with twitter hustlers.
Piotr Pomorski@PtrPomorski
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> trying to manipulate each other into spontaneously reaching a desired conclusion.
Yes but this is quite often the goal of arguing, so in some sense they are acting optimally. I agree with you but don't underestimate that many people want to win, not always according to your definition of winning nor playing the game according to your rules, and that type of strategy can be very effective.
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Sometimes I will listen to two neurotypical people argue. And it will seem like they're doing very bad, because neither is saying what they mean.
Neurotypical people don't just say what they want; they spend their time trying to manipulate each other into spontaneously reaching a desired conclusion.
That's when I helpfully interject by explaining what they're ACTUALLY saying to one another. I translate.
And that's when I become the bad person.
Which is why I've (mostly) learned: not my circus, not my monkeys.
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This isn't the only problem. Whole feature sets and design decisions are then catered to the lowest-common-denominator user, we get taskbars that are huge, can't be moved or resized, density is decreased for touch interfaces, file system can't be accessed easily like on iOS etc. The power user is marginalized, even those with the skills have friction put in front of using them.
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@Yrouel86 @BrodieOnLinux Because kids aren't developing useful skills due to them being so easy to use.
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On Linux we often talk about making the experience easier but there is something to be said computing actually involving some level of friction. Not to say we should revert back to the 90's however it should probably be more complicated than a microwave
Reddit Lies@reddit_lies
No lies detected. It's actually insane how smartphones effectively ruined computer literacy for younger Gen Z and Alpha.
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