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@Gugugaga18786 @cw_3245 @ettingermentum will accept. And then you do it again and again.

@Gugugaga18786 @cw_3245 @ettingermentum Of course it's not as good as it gets. Be serious for a moment. Medicare didn't solve everything, but we don't write that off as worthless, do we? No, we recognize that it's something to build on. That's how serious people govern--you get the votes and pass the best reform voters

Biden never even mentioned the public option he ran on one time during his presidency

@Gugugaga18786 @cw_3245 @ettingermentum We address the healthcare crisis by winning governorships and state legislatures so we can continue expanding Medicaid. We win majorities in Congress and use the budget process to boost subsidies and further bend the cost curve down.

@Gugugaga18786 @cw_3245 @ettingermentum Stop being obtuse. Major healthcare reform will happen when dems have supermajorities in Congress. Just like how we got Social Security, Medicare, and the ACA. Empty slogans do nothing to change that fact. Anyway, I already answered your other question, but just to repeat:

@Gugugaga18786 @cw_3245 @ettingermentum The solution to the healthcare crisis is to win governorships and state legislatures so we can continue expanding Medicaid. It's to use the budget process to boost subsidies and continue bending the cost curve down.

@901Gregory @cw_3245 @ettingermentum Centrists whether in congress or any Democratic organization or in the media advocating for it so wtf is the centrist solution to the healthcare crisis? And why are they lying about their support for the public option if not the fact they’re in the pocket of private insurances?

@Gugugaga18786 @cw_3245 @ettingermentum There's no point in talking about something that has no chance of passing! I have no doubt that if asked the typical blue state dem would say they'd vote for it. But so what? You might as well ask why they're not campaigning on gold houses and rocket cars for every American.

@901Gregory @cw_3245 @ettingermentum You keep dodging. Leftist Dems run on M4A. Centrists who oppose M4A and have claimed they support the public option instead of M4A, never ever talk about it even though they are in deep blue states. Why, according to you?

@Gugugaga18786 @cw_3245 @ettingermentum It's for the same reason Bernie Sanders never bothers to explain how M4A would be implemented, never gives an actual plan. There is no feasible plan! It's just an empty slogan for him and his supporters. They are not serious people.

@Gugugaga18786 @cw_3245 @ettingermentum Dems in deep blue areas run on everything from public option to M4A. It doesn't matter what they run on because the only shit that passes is what voters in NC, AZ, IA, AK, TX, etc. will support. Deep blue dems *know* it doesn't matter, except as slopulist red meat for the base.

@Gugugaga18786 @cw_3245 @ettingermentum Again, who tf cares what dems in deep blue states and districts run on? You add all them up and you don't have the votes to pass shit. All that matters is what will win those red and purple patches on the map.

@901Gregory @cw_3245 @ettingermentum Let’s say we accept your claim that running on the public option is a loser in purple districts, states, what’s the excuse for dems in deep blue states and districts for not running on it? Could it simply be that they don’t support it because they’re bought by private insurances?

@Gugugaga18786 @cw_3245 @ettingermentum You get people in Congress by running moderate centrists in red and purple districts and states. You can't just sloganeer your way to transformative legislation, moron. You actually need to win contested elections and acquire the votes.

@901Gregory @cw_3245 @ettingermentum And how do you get people in congress? By not ever advocating for the good policies you claim to support? By suppressing the activists pushing for it? Could you actually explain why centrists have not mentioned the public option since the last Biden/Bernie debate?

@Gugugaga18786 @cw_3245 @ettingermentum Major progressive policies were implemented by winning supermajorities in Congress, you dolt.

@901Gregory @cw_3245 @ettingermentum Do y’all think the major progressive policies in US history were implemented by never advocating for it, never talking about it and just one day out of nowhere it magically happened? You think this is how it works?

@kerrplunkett @dude17943 @ettingermentum What, are you special needs? Do you have a learning disability? Dems confirmed 235 judges during Biden's term, including a Supreme Court justice. They passed a $2 trillion Covid relief package and a $1 trillion Inflation Reduction Act. None of that happens without Manchin.

@901Gregory @dude17943 @ettingermentum So Dems lose their majority and continue their streak of fighting for nothing U replaced manchins no vote with a moderate republicans no vote

@hecubian_devil That happened in 2016, but has it really been the trend since?

@dude17943 @ettingermentum Because if some squad member loses their seat, who fucking cares? They'll just be replaced by another Dem who will vote for all the same legislation. If Manchin loses, he's replaced by a Republican, Dems lose their majoriy, Republicans continue packing the courts w/ fascists, etc

@901Gregory @ettingermentum If Joe Manchin was a problem why were they always sucking his cock instead of actually disciplining him? The Dems censure the left and whine about purity tests but bend over backwards for right wingers. They could have investigated Manchin's criminal daughter but they didnt.

@Verde_SSB @dude17943 @ettingermentum How? By hypnotizing him? Wtf, man. Think for a second.

@dude17943 @901Gregory @ettingermentum 🥺 cause we can’t risk losing his previous seat if he starts voting too liberal. then manchin proceeds to retire and the electorate got more red anyways so he’d have lost. BUT maybe WV would’ve been much more liberal had Biden actually gotten him on board of a PROGRESSIVE AGENDA

@cw_3245 @TheMilo @ettingermentum barely passed at all, and yet in the end almost 40 million Americans had health coverage for the first time, pre-existing conditions were ended, and the cost curve bent sharply down. You just have no idea how huge a victory it was, or how bad it was before.

@cw_3245 @TheMilo @ettingermentum Christ, you're framing this like Obama one day just sinisterly chose to screw Americans over for...reasons? In fact, his campaign provided a framework that 60 Senators worked on for a year and a half, and those 60 Senators included dillwads like Joe Lieberman. Reform only

@cw_3245 @TheMilo @ettingermentum It wasn't behind closed doors! Negotiations were covered in the press, in real time. The Biden-Manchin arguments were front page for months on end.

@901Gregory @TheMilo @ettingermentum ok whatever if ypu are going to be so stubbornly childish in your political worldview i cant fix that. Still, whether its strictly their fault or not, surely you see why this would damage their credibility on this issue when this all happened behind closed doors right?

@cw_3245 @TheMilo @ettingermentum I think that if you're the 50th Senate vote, you've got all the leverage. Biden's entire legislative agenda came down to what Joe Manchin was willing to vote for. Bitching more loudly about what a dickhead Manchin is wouldn't change that.

@901Gregory @TheMilo @ettingermentum sorry, you think the president has no leverage over a senator and i am naive?

@TheMilo @cw_3245 @ettingermentum opponents? Take that shit over to MAGA world, clown. We Democrats actually believe in rule of law.

@TheMilo @cw_3245 @ettingermentum Just a childish way of looking at the world. If Manchin sincerely believed in the positions he took (& he did), Biden couldn't bully into a different set of votes. You can't just make people share your values! And as for siccing the justice department on political