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@Aesvyn
Our very strength invites challenge, challenge incites conflict, and conflict breeds catastrophe. - Vision
US, Florida Katılım Mayıs 2017
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My final thoughts on zjump — I recently thought about this for a VERY long while before saying something that I wasn't confident in. In this post I've addressed every point that has been brought up regarding this debate, as well as some points that I haven't seen people mention.
As someone who has been playing Melee since the beginning and who at heart actually DISLIKES button remapping in the game, banning Z-jump/GCC remapping simply cannot be justified.
You cannot ban zjump without banning boxx. Rather, you SHOULD not. It is logically inconsistent. If you support doing so, then your argument is subjective and not objective. You are biased. I've heard many people argue that banning only GCC remapping is fine because the boxx is an accessibility controller, whereas zjump and remapping are purely for ease of use.
It's true that some top players (i.e. Cody, Joshman, Lucky, Chem, etc) have benefited from switching to Z-jump. Yes, it's mostly Fox players, as Fox requires the most high speed execution in the game.
But the amount of NON-TOP level players that have improved because of switching to boxx is disproportionate. Yes, the boxx is an accessibility controller. But to pretend that the boxx is not ALSO an ease of use tool is straight up delusional. To be clear btw, I think the boxx being legal is very good for the overall health of the scene.
If you think "we can address the boxx if it becomes a problem," then that means you only care if someone actually good at the game is using these tools. Put your bias aside; it is blinding you.
The argument that GCC remapping is inaccessible is also just bullshit. Here is why:
It's true that you currently need a phob gcc/controller mods to do remapping (which is super dumb btw when stealth mods are possible). However, if you want to play Melee on GCC without remapping, the only feasible way you can properly perform techniques utilized by zumpers and boxx players is to use permanent right hand claw grip. For most human beings, this hand position is extremely uncomfortable. In fact, I would even argue that doing perma claw grip without hand discomfort is EVEN LESS realistic than having controller mods done. It's just such a bad faith argument too because most serious competitors have already been using Phob controllers for years.
That being said, zjumping is obviously easier than claw grip. I'm sure there is a very small subset of people who disagree, as this is subjective. Let's be real though. Even aside from competitive gamers, the vast majority of human beings would not think that perma claw grip is easier than holding a controller the conventional way. It IS an ease of use tool, but again — so is the boxx.
Last thing I'll say is that I truly find it comical seeing Captain Falcon, Sheik, Marth, and Puff players complain about tech skill being too easy for Fox. "Melee is supposed to be a very difficult game [for you, not me]."
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@arJunebug good run at Supernova, you went toe to toe with moky
you will beat Cody and Zain again soon, just takes consistency and time
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Hey everyone, I'm excited to let everyone know that I have opted into this and I'll be campaigning for a spot at Nounsvitational Tokyo 2025!
Playing in a prestigious Smash tourney in Japan is a dream of mine, any votes for me I would be extremely grateful for.
#Wizzy4Japan
NOUNS GG@nounsgg
It's TIME! 🇯🇵 Our Nounsvitational Vote-in round is now live! Two players will earn their spot to compete this December in Tokyo at a once-in-a-lifetime tournament This round is open to any player ready to battle on the world stage ⌐◨-◨ Sign up now: nouns.gg/japan
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@arJunebug I'm proud of you for beating Zain Junebug, congratulations! That victory should have felt amazing ✨
Next Up, Cody 😈
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@tulpaswag @arJunebug commentators did not say this i simply observed what Junebug was doing against Nicki and wanted to help against the ICs matchup, useless comments like yours don't contribute to anything so it's better to give pointers when you can
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Remember - whenever you miss a rest it’s not the game’s fault.
It’s because YOU are terrible at Melee.
A true pro would never miss that rest. I certainly never would!
Just an awful showing of skill all around honestly.
Disgraceful. A sham! This really pinches my plums man.
Andrew Nestico@PracticalTAS
LOL this is one of the most brutal z-axis misses I've ever seen
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WE ARE BACK.
Feels absolutely incredible to be playing again as a pro Smash player for @Envy
Time to get to work.
Let's make history together.
ENVY@Envy
Wizzy’s back! Welcome home @wizzrobe
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@arJunebug I watched the match live you did such a good job Junebug!! I don't mean to pour alcohol on your wound but i legit think if you held ledge longer on Cody's second stock in the last game you could have had an advantage 😭
You won that set in my heart June, but congrats on 9th! ❤️🔥
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