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What should the Left do with the work of Bruno Latour?
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Tim Howles
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Tim Howles
@AimeTim
Research Fellow, University of Oxford: theology, philosophy, ethics, politics, environmental humanities. Associate Director @LSRIOxford. Anglican Priest.
Oxford, UK Katılım Ocak 2015
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As a believer in public displays of Catholic prayer like Eucharistic processions, I disagree with @NJ_Timothy.
But I can see it's an important debate & he has a right to put forward his views.
What I find inexcusable are Lab/Lib Dems calls for him to be cancelled for doing so.
Nick Timothy MP@NJ_Timothy
I will not be silenced. Labour are only demonstrating that they cannot see right from wrong. They will not stand up for our way of life. But we will.
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@respejo @DAaronovitch I’m sorry for using that word, which I shouldn’t have done. I respect the debate. Apologies.
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@AimeTim @DAaronovitch Calling a reasonable and necessary debate “hateful rhetoric” is a cowardly evasion of an important issue. Is it easier just to cancel opponents than risk upsetting muslims?
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Some further thoughts on Nick Timothy's comments on integration and Muslim prayer today.
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@Charloch0506 @DAaronovitch Thanks for pointing this out. It was careless of me to use that word and I certainly didn’t mean to imply it of NT, who I know is a serious thinker.
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@AimeTim Honestly one can also find this in the modernists, especially Proust--I write about it in an essay called "Proust's Consciousness." So he could have found such ideas elsewhere as an astute reader?
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1. Bruno Latour’s work of course is one long "anxiety of influence" in relation to a number of thinkers – Garfinkel, Whitehead, Schmitt, Stengers, Serres, Souriau, etc. But IMO the key one, that unfortunately he only had a few years to engage with before his passing, is Voegelin.
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@Charloch0506 @DAaronovitch Yes. I’m really sorry - I should not have put the word “hateful” there. Apologies. Not seeking to vilify and that’s not what I think you or others are necessarily doing. (As to your description of the spectacle, no comment!)
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@AimeTim @DAaronovitch Many of us agree with Nick Timothy. Wee don’t hate. We just don’t want to see thousands of ample arses in the air violating our public spaces.
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(sorry, I shouldn't have used adjective "hateful" there. Mis-step. I don't think that was an intention of comments today, nor an intentionality of the one who said them. apologies).
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18. ... , even if these are putatively linked to a theological "integrity" or to a world religion. I just don't think today was that. At all. Pax et bonum.
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17. And I think there should and must be a margin at which eg. Bishops (and all right-thinking people) speak out against religiously- or theologically-mandated discourse that preaches "domination" (and by implication "intimidation") ....
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I returned to X only to find the same "meme-lords" at work everywhere, followed by left-wing accounts wasting their time by responding to basement dwelling trolls. And dogmatic Christianity is everywhere... What happened to the philosophy community that was alive on here in 2020?
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@DobboYork (sorry, think messages are crossing and I'm hopeless navigating the timeline of Twitter). thanks for engaging
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@DobboYork I think that proof of Christian faith might even (and provocatively) be defined as the mature ability to co-exist alongside absolutist claims from other religions, since the true Christian trust the claim to cosmic participation for all things given by the Christian story.
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@AimeTim Also this wasn't a prayer meeting. It was a 3 minute prayer people could optionally take part in from a 3 hour event including a giant puppet, speakers inc non Muslims, food given out, kids running around. It's been deliberately misrepresented in every manner 4/
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@DobboYork Thanks. This is all very interesting. But even if there was more, I think there should be space to tolerate claims of absolutism - albeit within respectful public moderation. Else, we risk draining public (and personal) life of all vitality.
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@DobboYork Thanks Joe. I don't even think I'm claiming we need to attempt to flatten claims of exclusivity in this prayer. We are claim exclusivity in one form or another - even middle of the road Anglicans like me (in extremely deferential and quiet tones, of course - much to our shame).
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@AimeTim Also, we believe Muhammed was the final messenger of God but the adhan does not say he is the only messenger. We recognise Jesus as one of his messengers. So Nick Timothy tries to use theology and uses it incorrectly 3/
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@DavidRobjant Of course I appreciate what you are saying here, but I don't think the deep story of post-Elizabethan British history is protestant more than catholic.
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Vive la Republique, universelle et laïque (that is, if you want there to be a stable centre. Otherwise the centre of British liberalism is the Glorious Revolution & the protestant ascendency- potentially unstable in several directions particularly if we defend faiths plural).
Tim Howles@AimeTim
7. Comments like those of Nick Timothy make all of us less safe. There is no stable centre (as he might see it) that is being protected here.
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14. But this is not what is at stake here. This article has some useful perspectives, and I agree with it: theguardian.com/commentisfree/…
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13. Fellow believers I really respect have said things like this today, in good faith: "what religious practice would we speak out against, or is it always wrong to say anything because of the risk of sowing division? Is NT wrong to speak out, or just against this?"
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