Lemuel Amunga

@Esq_Dalmas_J Perhaps we can engage qualitatively in this conversation when calm has restored. You were my schoolmate in Maranda and I would not want you misleading the public that we have tiers of rights. Justice will still be served without the CCTV footage in evidence!

Some of us will never cease to amaze me. Regarding the Utumishi School Fire Incident, the CCTV footage has been released unmasking the gross rot in some of our children who had no iota of humanity and opted to torch down the entire dormitory. Instead of addressing and confronting the rot, indiscipline and condole with the families who have lost their kith and kin in the tragic reckless incident, some of us are asking what the CCTV were doing in the dormitory and asserting infringement of our children's rights to privacy. You've surely and indubitably caught my mouth zero. This is a classicus of going after rats while the house is burning. That notwithstanding, let's not leave out the following Constitutional imperatives and fundamentals; Thing 1, Right to privacy is not an absolute right. This right MUST and SHOULD curl it's tail between its hind legs like a dog when confronted with rights of security, property and life. Your right to privacy CANNOT be taken to higher pedestals when it is likely to cause grave violations to other constitutional rights that have public implications such as security and life. Simply put, if it were not for the CCTV footage, we would not have known who set the arson and murdered 16 girls. And by the way, the CCTV was on the hallway. It was not that much intrusive! The only wrong is the management having the students sleeping along the corridors. The CCTV in schools is a development that we must embrace to exterminate and reduce threat of insecurity to our children in school. Even during my time at Maranda High School, we had CCTV that were even pointing the ablution blocks. Later on after I had left, two dormitories were burnt down by a few indisciplined lot but their identities were unmasked by CCTV. I could go on and on but the bottomline is this, benefits of CCTV is writ large and cannot be wished away on the ground of violation of right to privacy! We cannot afford losing precious life while trying to protect privacy of our little delinquents! Infact, Right to life could have been an absolute right were it not for the death sentences that have been prescribed by our laws that makes it limitable. But even then, the Supreme Court has held that its mandatory nature in the Penal Code is unconstitutional for abuse of certain fundamentals including denial of Judicial discretion in sentencing after mitigation. That alone tells you that it ranks higher than right to privacy in our legal architecture! Now come and cook me. Enough with the feelings and let's confront the rot amongst our children head on. Let the rat run away but we save our burning house. Period!

@pauwrandom While at it, I see you're a property manager who deals in real estate and bnbs. We've experienced an increased number of femicides in recent times. Have you installed CCTV in your bedrooms to catch killers? If not, why haven't you?

@pauwrandom Sadly, that footage is not getting admitted as evidence in any competent court of law. The question of guilt can be inferenced from many other things aside from CCTV. Those 16 girls, their families and Kenyans will get justice! But privacy concerns MUST still be addressed.

@mbaye_l_p Wakili,you understand that article 24 says that rights or fundamental freedoms can only be limited by statute? Also I'd like to know what provision of law or policy requirement make CCTV in dormitories mandatory

Those citing privacy concerns should remember that incidents like this are exactly why CCTV cameras in dormitory corridors became mandatory. Article 24 exists for a reason, and schools are required by the Ministry of Education to comply, there’s no debate about it.

@Lobe_sh @JoshOO1J No,there was no fire at St. Kizito. 19 girls died mostly due to suffocation since they were squeezed in one corner of the dormitory as the boys unleashed terror on the girls raping 71 of them.

@JoshOO1J St. Kizito 1991 young men raped their female schoolmates and burnt them while inside.

When boys go for a strike in schools they will inform everyone. The damage covers the property not loss of lives. This one is pure evil! Na mtu kitu ako concerned nayo ni cctv

@JoshOO1J The single deadliest arson case in Kenya's history was the Kyanguli high school tragedy in 2001 where 67 boys died.

@kimyamiyaki Using your line of thinking, given the increased cases of deaths in bnbs and apartments, Landlords must ensure they install working CCTV in all rooms of their rental units so as to catch murderers?

These are common areas. Dressing areas may be outside the camera view. Security has come to a point where it trumps privacy. Other than a situation like this, people’s kids are out here doing every shit at night to each other. The camera is very necessary. Sorry. Oh and by the way, learn to discuss things with people with divergent views from yours. Your ideas cannot supersede the thoughts of others by being infallible. Speak to those you disagree with grace if you can. Food for thought.

When someone asks why there was a CCTV camera inside a girls’ dormitory and you respond with “children died and you’re worried about cameras?”, you’re not making an argument. You’re using a straw man fallacy by pretending they care more about cameras than the children. You’re creating a false dichotomy by acting as if people must choose between caring about the victims or asking questions about privacy and child protection. You’re engaging in relative privation by suggesting that because a bigger tragedy occurred, other legitimate concerns should be ignored. People are capable of holding multiple thoughts at once. Demanding accountability for a fire and questioning surveillance of minors are not mutually exclusive.

@Chemosi69 @Karwaay Funny thing is the prosecution side will have a rough time admitting that footage into evidence. It offends constitutional privacy protections.

@Karwaay Main use is to provide recorded evidence when needed. Evidence collection for this case. There should be no monitoring real time.. "for Just Incase Purposes"

Why is there CCTV INSIDE the dorm? Where does the footage go? Who watches it? Isn’t this a severe child safeguarding breach? Isn’t the physical privacy + dignity of minors violated by installing those there? Great the cameras caught it, but the adults need to explain. Slooowly.

X is a public platform. Public participation now! It is a legal requirement . If you want me to impeach the dumb guy! Retweet and like. 24k likes guarantee progress . Lets do this for our nation. Kenya needs a renaissance !

@guylikericky What you fail to imagine is that if the demands are not met "matatu users" -who are more than the matatu owners, will take over the protest and it won't matter whether matatus are on strike or not, the roads will be impassable!

Shida ya matatu strike ni they don't have the range to do this for more than 2 days😂😂bank loans don't give 2 fùcks about your situation.

@_ngaowilson @joshuamalidzo The idea of a constitutional democracy as opposed to a pure democracy is that the tyrannical majority cannot vote to alienate the constitutionally granted rights of the minority. Only the Constitution is supreme.

The courts are not elected, so we cannot have decisions of an elected counter-majoritarian parliament overturned by non-elected body - Prof. Githu Muigai @joshuamalidzo is shaking