Angie
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@JChimirie66677 What is it with Labour and anything related to sexual crimes?
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Eleven Rape Convictions. Not One Day In Custody. And Lammy Wants to Go Further.
Two girls were raped in a New Forest town in November 2024 and January 2025. They were fifteen and fourteen years old. Their attackers filmed the assaults, shared the footage online and laughed. One of the girls was raped at knifepoint. Three boys walked out of Southampton Crown Court with youth rehabilitation orders and a three month curfew. Eleven rape convictions between them. Not one day in custody.
The first girl read her victim impact statement at sentencing. I was caught off guard. I will never get that innocence back. All I want to do is die. I no longer have fear for when that comes. The judge praised her courage. He then told her attackers none of you need to go to prison today.
Judge Nicholas Rowland cited their very young ages, their ADHD diagnoses, their low intellectual capacity and the importance of avoiding criminalising children unnecessarily. He was following the Sentencing Council's guidance precisely. Custody is a last resort. Rehabilitation is the primary purpose. The sentence is not the judge's failure. It is the policy's product.
Which makes what David Lammy is simultaneously planning considerably more alarming than the sentences themselves. The Justice Secretary is weighing proposals to extend that same framework, treating offenders as children, prioritising rehabilitation over punishment, minimising custody, to all offenders under 25. The Scottish model he is considering produced a killer rapist who set a woman on fire receiving five fewer years than he would have otherwise. It produced a man who repeatedly raped a thirteen year old girl avoiding prison entirely. Lammy wants to bring that framework to England and Wales while Lord Hermer urgently reviews sentences that are its direct and inevitable consequence.
The Attorney General who removed trial by jury for thousands of defendants has 28 days to decide whether filming a knifepoint gang rape and sharing it online warrants custody. The same man who ensured extra court capacity was in place for last weekend's Unite ghe Kingdom march is taking nearly a month to answer that question.
The second girl's statement was read on her behalf. She described nightmares, inability to sleep and feeling ashamed and insecure in her own body. The person I was before the incident has completely gone and sometimes I feel like I am grieving the person I used to be. Under the framework Lammy is proposing, the boys who produced that grief would continue to be treated as children requiring support rather than adults requiring consequences.
Former Met Police detective Peter Bleksley's call to bring back borstals will be dismissed in progressive circles as nostalgic authoritarianism. It deserves more serious engagement than that. The borstal system, whatever its flaws, operated on a principle the current framework has abandoned entirely. That young people who commit serious offences require structure, discipline and consequence rather than community orders and supervision. The evidence that rehabilitation focused community sentences deter serious youth offending is thin. The evidence from Scotland that treating young adult offenders as children produces lighter sentences for grave crimes is documented.
The Fordingbridge victims are not statistics in a sentencing review. They are two girls whose lives have been permanently altered by three boys who will be back in their communities within months. The policy that produced their sentences is the same policy the government is planning to expand. Lord Hermer's shock is noted. His government's direction of travel tells a different story.
The sentence was not a miscarriage of justice. It was justice as currently defined. That is the most alarming observation of all.
"Lammy wants to bring that framework to England and Wales while Lord Hermer urgently reviews sentences that are its direct and inevitable consequence."


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@Alexandr4Denman Agree. He is scum and his vile acts have no justification. He escaped prison so should count himself lucky
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Huw Edwards was sentenced 16th September 2024 for possessing indecent pictures of young children .Edwards, 63, was sentenced to a six-month jail sentence suspended for two years at Westminster Magistrates’ Court after pleading guilty to three charges of making indecent images of children. Now Channel 4 want to do a documentary on him so as he can explain himself ? Has our country truly gone that low that we give men like him airtime to explain his depravity ? He should be still in prison as far as im concerned away from anyone in with dirty predators like him ! So would you watch him ? Or do you think Channel 4 should never do this? Thoughts?

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I have refrained from talking about Henry Nowak so far because I was too angry. I remain too angry.
I'm angry at the scumbag who stabbed an 18-year-old boy to death. Who drove a blade into the back of his legs to stop him from running, then finished him by skewering him through the chest with an 8-inch blade. All while that poor boy tried desperately to escape.
I'm angry that the same scumbag then cried "racism" to cover his tracks, claiming self-defence after pursuing and butchering an innocent boy who just wanted to get home.
I'm angry at the parents who tried to hide the murder weapon and shield their killer son from justice, putting blood loyalty above any sense of right and wrong.
I'm angry at the police who handcuffed a bleeding teenager while he cried "I'm dying" and "I can't breathe," and let him bleed out in the street. All because his attacker cried racism.
I'm angry at the judge who has introduced manslaughter as an alternative verdict before the jury even had a chance to decide. Robbing Henry's family of the proper verdict on what was clearly cold-blooded murder.
I'm angry at a nation that grants religious exemptions so minorities can carry deadly blades in public while locking up natives for far less. A nation that has opened the floodgates to migrants who want us dead and now watches its own young bleed out in the name of "diversity."
I'm angry that we've allowed it to happen.
I'm angry.

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@Katie_Lam_MP Polygamy is not normal but more importantly it is illegal so either the Government has changed the law and not told us or they are somehow complicit in supporting an illegal act which must surely have some sort of legal consequences??
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🇬🇧 Judge William Mousley KC has directed the jury that Digwa can be considered for an alternative charge of manslaughter in relation to the death of Henry Nowak.
Although Nowak sustained a fatal stab wound to the chest, Judge Mousley said: "if a person may not have deliberately caused the fatal injury or may not have intended to kill or cause really serious harm, he or she is not guilty of murder."
Follow: @europa

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@AllisonPearson Don’t worry Allison, Labour consistently tell lies so not sure anyone believes them when they say immigration is under control or NHS waiting times are reducing or the country’s finances are stable and under control
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Judge Nicholas Rowland, who spared the teenage traveller rape gang from detention, did not jail a sex offender caught with extreme pornography and gave a speeding drug driver who killed a cyclist less than two years in prison.
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@benonwine Of course they do which is why so women don’t bother reporting and if they do they rarely if ever get justice - it’s the attitude of the police, CPS and judges
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@BasilTheGreat No, it’s bad enough he escaped prison don’t rub our noses in it by trying to make out that somehow his m/h issues made him do such a vile and putrid thing
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@Avabelly__ They may think what they like but that does not mean that biological women have to share spaces and sports categories with them
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EU SAYS IF STARMER WANTS TO REJOIN THE EU WE HAVE TO DITCH THE POUND AND PAY MUCH HIGHER CONTRIBUTIONS
Top EU official warns Labour that Britain would have to ditch the pound, adopt the euro and pay massively higher budget contributions with no rebate if it ever wants to rejoin the bloc.
Sandro Gozi, head of the EU-UK Parliamentary Assembly, told Brussels it must end its “obsession with carve-outs” explicitly including the euro and said the old British rebate that slashed contributions by two-thirds would not be coming back.
Gozi admitted rejoining could be fast-tracked because of the UK’s existing alignment and institutional memory, calling it a “victory for Europe as a whole.”
The intervention comes as senior Labour figures Wes Streeting and Andy Burnham openly talk of reversing Brexit, while Keir Starmer pushes for a major EU summit this summer to deepen ties.
Labour’s manifesto still rules out rejoining the single market or customs union and insists free movement remains a red line.
Brussels is already signalling the true price of any full reset.
And critics are already saying if they betray Brexit then we need a general election as this was NOT in Labours manifesto that they were elected on.

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@benonwine Certainly not if it is to somehow try and justify what he did, if it is to discuss why men do such horrific things then maybe to reinforce how much we loathe what he has done then fine.
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@BasilTheGreat Why is our justice system failing this young man? If multiple stabs in the back and legs isn’t murder, what is?
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