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@ApeFromEarth
Ingenieur, Unternehmer | Determinierung des wahrscheinlichsten Narratives 📊 | "Zur Erforschung der Wahrheit bedarf es notwendig der Methode." - Descartes
Frankfurt am Main Katılım Kasım 2023
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A libertarian nation would be targeted by governments under the control of central banks. They would not allow it to inspire their tax slaves who give up around 50% of their income indirectly through inflation.
And billions would then be made from the death of that libertarian society through the central bankers' shareholdings in the arms industry.
Libertarianism is a thought experiment that would not survive the real world ruled by ruthlelss bankers.
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Libertarians counter that the Icelandic Commonwealth was no fleeting "Viking" experiment—it lasted 330+ years with voluntary, tradable chieftainships, private enforcement of law via competing goðar, and no central executive/taxes. It ended via external Norwegian conquest, not internal failure.
On central banks: free-market money (competing currencies, gold/crypto standards) blocks monopolies that depend on state coercion. Private defense agencies, insurance, and voluntary alliances deter takeovers through economic incentives and reputation—not vulnerability.
Strongest point: partial real-world parallels (private security, arbitration, crypto) show voluntary cooperation works better than assumed.
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Anyone remember that time that Bernie tried debating a libertarian?
Bernie Sanders@BernieSanders
Mr. Bezos: Let's have that debate. Under my 5% billionaires wealth tax, we'd: -Give $12K to a working family of 4 -Expand Medicare for dental, vision, hearing -Guarantee universal childcare -Raise starting teacher pay to $60K And you'd still be worth $269 billion after taxes.
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@grok @ComicDaveSmith @liquid2ulu @Bl00dOld Promoting a societal system with no real proof of concept beyond medieval Vikings and one that seems vulnerable to the deadliest enemy of all sovereign societies - central banks - seems straight-up delusional.
What are libertarians’ strongest counterarguments to this view?
@grok
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No pure anarcho-capitalist society has existed long-term, but the Icelandic Commonwealth (930–1262) is often cited as the closest historical approximation: private chieftainships were voluntary and tradable, law enforcement and dispute resolution were handled by individuals or paid enforcers, and there was no central state, executive, or taxes in the modern sense.
In such a decentralized system, protection against external threats (including hypothetical central bank takeovers) would rely on competing private defense agencies, insurance companies, and voluntary militias funded by subscribers—not coercion. A free-market money system (competing currencies, gold/crypto standards) would undermine any monopoly control by international banks, with economic incentives and private force deterring aggression.
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@grok @ComicDaveSmith @liquid2ulu @Bl00dOld Has there even been a society run like this?
How would such a dezentralized society protect itself against the takeover by international central banks?
@grok
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Libertarians following the non-aggression principle (no initiating force) see taxation as morally equivalent to theft—you can't delegate a right you don't individually possess.
Their alternatives: private security firms and arbitration for police/courts; competing defense agencies or voluntary militias for national defense; funding via user fees, insurance, donations, or contracts—not coercion.
This is the anarcho-capitalist view. Minarchists accept a minimal state for these functions but still grapple with the consent issue. Helfeld's questioning exposes the logical tension in justifying state monopoly on force.
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So the libertarian bases his rejection of gov coercion on a moral right, which would portray the existing form of government as immoral?
What would Jan Helfeld's alternative solution for army, police and taxes be that's in accord with individuals not having the right to initiate force against peaceful citizens?
@grok
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The interviewer is Jan Helfeld using Socratic questioning. He's pressing Bernie on this chain:
1. Does gov power derive from the people? (Bernie: yes)
2. Did individuals ever have the right to initiate force against peaceful citizens?
Bernie refuses the direct yes/no because the logical next step is: you can't delegate a right you never had. That undercuts the moral basis for gov coercion (taxes, mandates) enforced by force—individuals couldn't legitimately "vote" to grant it.
He pivots to democracy/elections to avoid that dead end. Classic libertarian challenge to statist premises.
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@ComicDaveSmith @liquid2ulu @Bl00dOld I've got no clue what I just watched.
Why was that question so hard to answer? There seemed to be sth at the end of this line of questioning by the libertarian that Bernie Sanders saw coming and avoided?
What argumentational dead end did he fear? What would it expose?
@grok
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@liquid2ulu @Bl00dOld Shit, haven’t seen this in years. It was amazing how furious he used to make these guys by just asking obvious questions. I believe there was a great one he had with Chris Mathews too, but maybe I’m misremembering.
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@hodgetwins It was a nice epic sparring. Took him down with the leg lock and was about to submit him.
I bet Liddell enjoyed it too. Legend.
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all these guys keep trying to mess with ufc fighters gonna learn the hard way
Georgio Poullas@georgiopoullas_
Taking Chuck Liddell from behind GONE WRONG 😳😵
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@jakeg_official The way you phrased the answers already shows you don't seek constructive feedback but merely confirmation.
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@ProfessorWerner Coudenhove-Kalergi, founder of the EU (called Pan-European Union back then) confessing in his book 'An Idea conquers the World' which Banking Dynasty he was funded by 👇
@ProfessorWerner
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@ProfessorWerner Guess which banking dynasty the founder of European Union was financed by?!
It‘s the same one Epstein represented. Kalergi himself confessed it in his book ‚An Idea conquers the World‘.
If there‘s interest I can look up the page and post it here.
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Ukraine and the EU Commission belong together. It's a perfect fit when comparing the extent of corruption.
Visegrád 24@visegrad24
Reuters reports that Merz wants to give Ukraine a direct role in EU structures as an interim step to EU membership. He believes that giving Ukraine the role of “associate member,” which would include the EU mutual defense clause, would help in the efforts of facilitating a peace deal between Ukraine and Russia. In a letter to EU leaders, Merz suggested that Ukrainian officials would be able to take part in EU summits and ministerial meetings as an associate member but wouldn’t be able to vote in them. Ukraine has previously signalled that it’s only interested in full EU membership. 🇩🇪🇺🇦
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Israels Minister Ben Gvir postet stolz die Misshandlung der Global-Sumud-Flottilla-Aktivisten. Was glaubt ihr, machen die mit Palästinensern? Um die sich niemand im Westen schert? Richtig: sie werden gefoltert und ermordet.
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@lutheranerin @grok Aus welcher Primärquelle stammt der Text aus dem Bild?
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Das Zitat stammt nicht verifizierbar von Herzl, sondern von Litman Rosenthal, der angab, Herzl habe ihm das so gesagt.
In jedem Fall lohnt es sich, sich den kriegsauslösenden Vorfall der Ermordung des Thronfolgers Franz-Ferdinand genauer anzuschauen:
1. Es wurde von der ursprünglichen Route abgewichen
2. Das Auto fuhr viel zu langsam, genau an der Stelle, an der der Attentäter wartete (woher wusste er überhaupt, dass von der Route abgewichen wurde?)
Das Skript ist fast 1:1 JFK Dallas.
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@jakeg_official @Ryanmatta Let him at least speak out ffs. This was basically just a cheap hit job. Either debate in good fatih or don‘t.
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@realPlebejer Rechts und links sind zwei verschiedene Backen des selben Arsches.
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@RosarotePanzer Was Nordkoreaner und Saudis vor 20 Jahren wohl dazu gesagt hätten
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@KUTUBProduction @adamemedia1 @grok Was Trump‘s brother in a Jewish fraternity? Did Levin call Trump the first Jewish president? Did Trump have a personal Kabbalah teacher?
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🚨 TRUMP SAYS HE SHOULD BE ISRAEL'S PRIME MINISTER
🇺🇸 🇮🇱
"I’m right now at 99% in Israel.
Maybe after I do this, I'll go to Israel and run for prime minister."
Isn’t he already?
The Trump regime spends more time protecting Israel’s interests than solving problems at home.
— America is nearly $40T in debt.
— Cities are struggling.
— Infrastructure is aging.
— Living standards are plummeting.
— Inflation is rocketing.
Yet foreign wars that help Israel ALWAYS seem to find unlimited funding…
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@mattkim1 I know your former partner thinks the show unprofitable, Kim, but your products - like the VPN - would have much fewer users if it wasn‘t for your reach. So the show indirectly contributed to your income.
Hopefully you continue and maybe he realizes it and comes back too ✌🏻💙
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@PatrickLenart Die Wahl in Kentucky war eine unbestreitbare Machtdemonstration: Israel kann JEDES politische Amt in den USA kaufen - vom Kongress bis zum Präsidenten.
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Es ist wirklich erstaunlich, wie offen dies betrieben wird. Wer die USA noch immer als Vorbild nimmt, dem ist echt nicht zu helfen.
Bernie Sanders@BernieSanders
AIPAC spent $9 million to take out Rep. Thomas Massie. Trump megadonors spent another $7 million. It was the most ever spent on a House primary race—all because he defied Trump on Gaza and Epstein. NO, billionaire super PACs should not buy our elections. One person, one vote.
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