Sacred_Arfaid

@Canucklehead319 @QueenVofCoffee Matthew 18:6 says: "If anyone causes one of these little ones,those who believe in me,to stumble, it would be better for them to have a large millstone hung around their neck and to be drowned in the depths of the sea" So tempting people is also not good.

@QueenVofCoffee For anyone who doesn’t believe it, Majority Standard Bible reads as follows: “And if your eye causes you to sin, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life with one eye than to have two eyes and be thrown into the fire of hell.”

If men don't wanna be tempted by seeing women in yoga pants, they should probably consider getting their eye or eyes gouged out as the Bible says.

@yongkykun @ItsSoPringles @TugginFugginMug @theaioshade @Moth_Lobster @MKH13Omasters Again, you're making the point for me. Zack matters to Crisis Core. OG FF7, not so much. That what my comment means. I'm not violating any twitter rules, so I don't have to keep my opinion in my head and I'm not going to.

@ArfaidSacred @ItsSoPringles @TugginFugginMug @theaioshade @Moth_Lobster @MKH13Omasters Square Enix decided to make CC hence we're here, talking about Zack could have been changed by any generic character means absolutely nothing. Zack matters, that's it, so keep your opinion in your head.

@ItsSoPringles @TugginFugginMug @yongkykun @theaioshade @Moth_Lobster @MKH13Omasters I don't understand why y'all insist that this twist makes Zack matter, when its impact was squarely aimed at Cloud. It could have been a generic guy, so long as it wasn't Cloud.

@TugginFugginMug @yongkykun @ArfaidSacred @theaioshade @Moth_Lobster @MKH13Omasters The biggets plot twist in FF7 was actually in base FF7, zack has always been there from the start right down to this death scene being in FF7 and them saying clouds personality was copying zack's hes an integreal character with only slightly less screentime than sephiroth

@Sikaloolala I don't find the compilation to be important, so...

FF7 Anniversary logos: 10th and 25th There are 3 main characters in FFVII compilation: Cloud Strife, Sephiroth and Zack Fair. Equally important, confirmed by SQNX. Denying it cannot erase the fact.

@MKH13Omasters You seem like the type of person that invites the "toxic" behavior with the way you approach discussion. You behave poorly too, but feel it's justified because you defend a thing rather than criticize.

@Moth_Lobster @TugginFugginMug @MKH13Omasters I would argue that he isn't in the sense that her story is pretty much the same with or without Zack. Her general curiosity carries her to the Wall market section and circumstances and duty take her the rest of the way.

@TugginFugginMug @ArfaidSacred @MKH13Omasters "he's not even important to Aeris during the game" Ah yes, Aerith never calls Zack her first love at any point in FF7. Definitely not ever. She definitely doesn't admit that she only felt strongly about Cloud because he reminded her of Zack at first. Definitely not.

@vgonly7 So it's exactly what I said. Thanks.

@CrystalChloe5 @MKH13Omasters I simplify so you can understand: "he isn't an OG character" shouldn't be read literally, it should be read as a hyperbolic way of expressing the point that Zack's relevance in FF7 is low. Reading the entire post will help you understand that.

@ArfaidSacred @MKH13Omasters Mate, one does not need extra context to know that "he isn't an OG character" is an objectively incorrect statement. Just because you believe the quote was a statement within a statement (not how that works btw) about Zack's relevance does not change that it's false.

@CrystalChloe5 @MKH13Omasters Not it isn't, because the statement is attached to an entire post about that very subject. Which is why I keep telling to read that statement in context to understand it. He didn't write it independently of all that other stuff so don't interpret it independently of it either.

@ArfaidSacred @MKH13Omasters Zack's relevance to the game is irrelevant in the statement "he is not an OG character." To be an OG character, that means a character is in the original. This is why I say you're changing what he said. The quotes around something is there to quote something someone else said.

@MKH13Omasters The funny thing about this is that when someone complains about the remake's changes, the response is "you still have the OG". While that is true, the compilation and remake will always be attached to it. So the gold is buried in a pile of garbage.

@CrystalChloe5 @MKH13Omasters He put the phrase OG character in quotes after making a statement about Zack lack of relevance to the original game. Both of those statements are hyperbole. It's an exaggeration of the thing you really mean.

@ArfaidSacred @MKH13Omasters I do not see the "figurative language" you refer to. I see "He is not an OG character and will never be" which is a very specific claim, that is in no way comparable to saying "there's nothing to do" when bored.

@MKH13Omasters Okay, fine. Other people helped make KH and FF crappy . Happy now? Geez, why are you such and obnoxious dick-rider?

@CrystalChloe5 @MKH13Omasters Again, not if it's figurative language. Example: If you were bored and said "There is nothing to do", does that mean you literally have no way to occupy your time? I didn't change what he said, I just understand it in relation to the rest of what he said.

@ArfaidSacred @MKH13Omasters Again, "he isn't an OG character" is a specific claim, one that explicitly states Zack is absent from OGFF7. In order to not be "OG" a character has to not be in the original. In order to be "OG" a character must be in the original. Don't just change what he said.

@CrystalChloe5 @MKH13Omasters Again, if you read that statement in full and note the quotes around "OG character" you'll understand the last part as a non-literal statement. You need to use basic reading comprehension, but I think it fairly clear he wasn't saying Zack is completely absent from OG FF7.

@ArfaidSacred @MKH13Omasters Look, man. I appreciate the Devils Advocate approach but the guy clearly never played the game or at the very least got to the Cloud memory section. CC covers that section in greater detail The explicit claim is that "Zack is not an OG character and never will be." He's wrong.

@vgonly7 This two things aren't at odds. He's another main character in the FFVII world because of Crisis Core, but he's still minor in FFVII itself.

@theaioshade @Moth_Lobster @MKH13Omasters That doesn't change the fact that it makes Zack as a character less relevant that characters that are revealed soon and establish relevance throughout the game. The impact of the twist what more Cloud focused anyway. Zack is nowhere near as important as you're making him seem.

@ArfaidSacred @Moth_Lobster @MKH13Omasters Yes, plot twists are generally saved for later parts of media.

@theaioshade @Moth_Lobster @MKH13Omasters Cloud's parents are also the reason he's able to do anything he does, but they are also not important to the narrative of FF7. He did the only important thing for FF7 before the game even starts and goes unmentioned for a large part of the game.

@ArfaidSacred @Moth_Lobster @MKH13Omasters Zack is literally the reason that Cloud is able to do the shit he is able to do he'd still be a meek shinra grunt and wouldn't even have his iconic Buster Sword without meeting Zack (unless they rewrote the story) he is crucial to Cloud's narrative arc.

@Moth_Lobster @DarkOrazu @MKH13Omasters Not really. Most of the compilation stuff isn't relevant to FF7, and he doesn't really contribute much to Nibelheim incident. He's basically there for Cloud to have a SOLDIER to put himself in the place of. Zack is more of a plot device in FF7.

@ArfaidSacred @DarkOrazu @MKH13Omasters Zack did far more than just get Cloud to midgar tho. Even within just the events of FF7, ignoring all the compilation otherwise, Zack is tied to the main story greatly due to all the Jenova shit, Cloud and the Nibelheim incident.

@DarkOrazu @Moth_Lobster @MKH13Omasters I don't think he compares to any of them. For as little as Heidegger and Scarlet are seen, they still managed to be actively relevant than Zack. Zack pretty much got Cloud almost to Midgar. That's his relevance.

@Moth_Lobster @ArfaidSacred @MKH13Omasters I think the sephiroth comparison is a bit over the top. But Zack is super relevant to the plot but another similar screen time comparison would be Rufus or even Heidegger or Scarlet.

@Moth_Lobster @MKH13Omasters Disagree, this Sephiroth comparison doesn't work because Sephiroth is the antagonist. He's essentially there, if it's technically Jenova cells. Also, being emotionally important to a main character doesn't make you important to the story (see Cloud, Tifa and Aeris's parents).

@ArfaidSacred @MKH13Omasters By that logic Sephiroth shouldn't be considered a main character either since he was barely in the game, we are following Jenova controlled by Sephiroth for most of it. Zack is important to both Cloud and Aerith, and the story as a whole, even if he is barely present physically.