AvertBurden

- You have a notepad you can use type more and screenshot to attach to your replies as well as do a series of replies as you just did. - Had you paid attention, for the fourth time, I agreed with you that it is scummy, said that calling it such is valid and that I'm not even trying to discourage that, which if you googled the word of shilling and know the proper usage of it, goes against what it means. I even stated a better way with a higher chance to get the message across on top of what you are doing to show you aren't happy with how they handled it. You're obviously just refusing to pay attention and refuse to listen. Sure, maybe they can't directly see your sales, but they can see player retention, banner performance, and feedback, which all go hand in hand to help further show displeasure. - I've asked for proof for several things actually and saying fact of the matter for why and how things are is not what a shill does. Encouraging and wanting them to continue the behavior does. Using your eyes, would know that I'm not for their decision, therefore tossing out your already baseless claim of me being a shill for them. - As for the main question you're dancing around, are one of the more passionate players of the game for or seem to be yet can't answer for some reason, I'll rephrase it; Despite being a gacha game, what makes WuWa so different to you and perhaps other people that there somehow wouldn't be a catch to the collab banner? And why do you think the big company that wants to make big money for some reason wouldn't use a tactic to reel in even more big money? - And when & where have I disagreed with you, directly stated or implying that I think it wasn't scummy for them to have the collab banners use have fresh pity and use special currency? Saying you don't need to provide proof during a discussion defeats the premise... and again, you're making claims without having valid evidence on the matter. You can have a debate or discussion without having a bias to either side, for this I've shown that I'm neither for the company or the players despite you claiming otherwise and don't have the proof of.

@Avert_Burden @KaelorX Finally you asked for proof when I literally don’t have too since I’m commenting on what was officially stated by the company. Pity is reset and implemented new currency only for this patch. That is objectively scummy, I don’t need to provide an article explaining that. 😂

I still can't fathom why people convert their Astrites into pulls. It's such a dumb move. And I'm not even talking about the collab—just in general. We have two types of banners: character banners and weapon banners. How do you know how many pulls you'll need for either one? It's gacha. You don't know how many pulls it'll take to get a character or a weapon. Unless you're a massive whale, I don't see any reason to convert your Astrites into pulls ahead of time.

If they wanted to shift from the standard, they would've, but they didn't. Why? Money~ Calling it out and saying that its scummy is valid. I literally even agreed that it is. I'm not trying to discourage that. What isn't getting through to you is that you're trying drive home a critique that has been said countless times for plenty of other games like its a revolutionary discovery, but its not. "The big company behind a successful gacha game that rakes in millions easily wants even more"... why is that surprising? Again, why would they not pull that move that'll rake in newer and returning players alike to a highly anticipated collab? 100% they could've definitely handled it differently, and every player, myself included, would've appreciated that, but they want to maximize off of it as much as they can, knowing that they can reel in even more players regardless. Stating how and why things are the way they are is simply just that, which is all I've been doing, but somehow in your head that = defending the practice and the company for what they are doing? Which by the way, you've still yet to present any kind of evidence on. The biggest change is you, the player, the consumer. You either engage with the game or you don't. That will forever be the greatest feedback you can give back to them if you don't like how things are handled. There's a flip side to everything and we're on the lower flipside whereas the company is going to reel in the bucks, despite frustration being warranted to them. That's how big businesses operate, where it'll be win win for them regardless. You not being able to accept the reality of how and why things are the way they are without being emotional about it is a you issue. Me simply stating how things are does not make me a shill. Despite me agreeing with you multiple times that what they are doing sucks and is scummy, your head somehow translates what I've said into defending the company and rooting for them, which nothing I said proves such. And notice how I've answered or replied to almost each of your points and providing evidence where needed? Why is it that you're failing to do that? Enlighten me; How does me merely stating what the fact of the matter = defending the practice? Where in anywhere of what I said proves that I'm rooting for the company? What indicates that I'm "shilling"? And why is it that the likes of you continue treating WuWa as if its more than a gacha game when that aspect never changed for it to begin with? - And if you want to bring up basic debating, number one, usually when people make claims, they can back it up. You haven't been able to. Number two, you've shifted from point to point, also most likely because you can't accept the reality of the situation and even hurled insults, is also another you problem and isn't a good look. So, are you able to provide any kind of evidence to what you said or are you just again, spewing words for the sake of arguing, bored, trolling, or a mix of all the above?

@Avert_Burden @KaelorX Brother, do I need to explain basic debate tactics to you? 🤦 You are doing a textbook case of minimizing the point I was making of it being scummy regardless of precedent set by the industry.

I'm not paying for it actually because it was a complimentary trial that was free to claim and I yoinked it because why not. But that's besides the point... I asked three simple questions; Why would pity from the games own limited banners transfer over to a limited time collab banner? (assuming they won't rerun ever) I asked if you were able to name any other gacha games ever that had pity transfer from their own banners to a limited time collab banner. You still have yet to answer either of them, probably because you can't. Lastly, I asked why is it that the likes of you put WuWa on some holy type of pedestal because I'm genuinely curious what makes you see WuWa, a free to play open world rpg gacha game, so much different that it wouldn't have some sort of catch during its collab banner? Why would said company not want to capitalize the most out of their most likely one time collab? Stating how and why they are doing what they are doing for the collab somehow translate into your head that I'm a shill for Kuro? Google it and enlighten me how exactly anything I said makes me a shill or that I'm defending what they are doing. Also feel free to point out anywhere in what I said in my replies that I directly stated or implied that I approve with what they are doing.

@Avert_Burden @KaelorX Brother your first reply was defending the practice. You literally were telling me that every gatcha does this and asked why WuWa is being put on a higher pedestal. You’re a shill, and worst. You’re a stupid shill who pays for a blue check mark like an idiot. 😂

How is stating why things are the way they are = "shilling"? Enlighten me on when and where I said or implied that any of it is okay to do? I've only stated why things are the way they are. Facts. That's all I've been stating from the start. Your inability to grasp that, strawmanning and whataboutism yourself are not my issues, those are your own. Congrats on pointing out the obvious, which again, is not what my original argument was about. No kidding it's not okay to do as there wouldn't be countries with stricter or prohibited gambling laws enforced. Yet despite that, learning to put our feelings aside, on the flip side, it obviously is fine to do due to how much revenue the game generates and the game promoting its gacha mechanics. It could've gone a different route like NTE or Ananta is seeming to be, but they didn't. They could've gone Nikke's route and letting pull currency be universal across nearly banner types, collabs or not, beside the special one that requires paid gems only, but they didn't. Why? Because they want money. All companies obviously want money. The players are the source of that. That is what makes it "it is what it is". You, assuming you're a gacha game player or at least of WuWa, should know that. And for once I agree with you, this argument is stupid because you're incapable of having one. Conversation and arguments can be made without having your feelings and bias included into it, but that is your own fault in failing to do that and unable recognize that, not my own. You're just trying to arguing for the love of it, bored, trolling, or a mix of all the above.

@Avert_Burden @KaelorX You literally wrote all that just to say “it is what it is” holy shill Batman. 😂 A predatory practice is a predatory practice. You can’t whataboutism that fact. Just because it’s standardized doesn’t mean it’s okay to do. Like this whole argument is so stupid.

Alright regardless of how I phrase what I want to say, it’ll come off asshole-ish(?) so I’ll go bit by bit; ) Are we really comparing WuWa, the game that was stated & marketed off rip as an open world story rpg gacha to the likes of what from EA? Battlefront II 2017? A PvP shooter? The game that did have paid loot boxes for quicker progression but was changed before official launch followed by a progression overhaul months after? You really want to try & use that stretch of hardly a point when the games are fundamentally different in structure & gameplay impact from a pure PvE game & a PvP game? One is more suited in collection & convenience against AI while the other was direct impact against other players experiences in a PvP based game, full priced & not free to play either may I add. You’re comparing apples to oranges here. ) The things I’m “laying” are the facts & telling it how it is. A gacha game, marketed as gacha, has & will continue to have gacha elements. You or the other person couldn’t answer my other questions because you know no other gacha games have had shared pity carry over into a char collab banner before. So yes, not only has WuWa being a gacha always been the case, but also, “it has always been like that” for the sake of collab banners where players start off with fresh pity on exclusive collab banners. And if you can find me an example of three gachas where that hasn’t happened, I’ll subtract a point from one of my several clearly made points. Yeah the game is predatory. A gacha game wanting in on the players wallets isn’t new. More often than not, the likes of us playing the game or gachas in general knows that already. That is not only blatantly obvious but wasn’t the focus on why I said what I said. Let’s not strawman..

@Avert_Burden @KaelorX None of what you said changes that it’s a predatory practice. EA used to sell loot boxes with in game progression until there was outrage. Laying there and saying “it’s always been like that” is a shill as cope my guy

Are you a PS Ambassador or something? Why you keep trying to drive home the built in speakers and controller charger as if its something innovative? More often than not, ppl that game are going to be doing so with earphones or headphones. And ppl that had their consoles for a while that cared for charging most likely paid for a dock by now, which shouldn't be anymore than like $30.

@GeneralMyke74 @GhillieYT On sale or something? Built in speakers? Controller charger?

Why the fuck would they make a 1440p monitor for their console that can play games in 4K LMAO? Also $350 for 120 hz????? Actual scam.

@_trevurlll_ @DocStrangelove2 Warzone says no

@DocStrangelove2 Can we ditch the battle pass gimmick to and go back to dlc extensions

Oh come the fuck on

@Miisteria Wasn’t Bailu first?

Dmg% reduction is a very potent sustain ability idk why they only ever gave it to Fu Xuan

Why would pity of a different banner type carry over? Can you name, at minimum, three other gacha games that had char collab banners that shares existing pity from the game’s own limited characters? WuWa has been & always will be a gacha game. Why is it folks try to give it some holy type of pedestal?

@KaelorX I love how we only focus on the criticism about people spending their astrite, and not that the practice itself is predatory. I also like how all the shills ignore the part about your pity being rest as well. The level of defending a multimillion dollar company has so stupid.😂

@Bluechi05690757 For the Kuro games, sure there are separate pull currencies for collabs, but if you’re saying it like its standard for gachas with collabs to have seperate currencies, well thats just false.

Y'all motherfuckers are greedy. That's all that is to it. Y'all had 1 year to save up. But y'all chose FOMO 🙄 If you want all the 3.4 characters, PAY THE FUCK UP!!! If not stfu. And it's common sense that collab banners will have separate pull currencies.

That's good to hear. Still annoyed and on the copium train waiting for her proper teammate since 2.0 which just overtime discouraged trying to fix her gear. She used to be one of my favs, still is top 3 for me aesthetic wise. As for gameplay, with me having Luuk & Zani w Phoeb, even less reason to use her, but maybe, surely she'll get her supp/ sub teammate. Nothing like waiting even longer despite it being two years alr but it is what it is

@Avert_Burden @n0taher0o @prnem17226 @Ig_Arachnos Both, I've seen videos of it in the last ToA. It should be even easier in the current one too.

With some careful thinking and consideration. I have decided to just use the 17 or how much pulls they give instead and not use a single fucking astrite on this banner I am gonna save for 3.5 and build pity on Collab banners instead. Good luck to everyone who is pulling

@n0taher0o @JamesAllee1 @prnem17226 @Ig_Arachnos Oh nice, I've given up on trying to gear her forever ago. Much as I do like her aesthetic, she's been lacking partners which made me give up further on her. I've been on the copium train waiting for her proper teammate since 2.0, but oh well.

@Avert_Burden @JamesAllee1 @prnem17226 @Ig_Arachnos side towers easily, middle is gonna be relying on your skill to quickswap or have sequence to be still strong or just have very good rolls of stats and good rotation.

@JamesAllee1 @n0taher0o @prnem17226 @Ig_Arachnos Side towers or middle? Or both?

@n0taher0o @prnem17226 @Ig_Arachnos People still clear ToA with Jinhsi and Zhezhi.

@KaptainDuckiee @_FRESHPRINTZ_ @ApexLiveComms To quote your own words, skill issue

@_FRESHPRINTZ_ @ApexLiveComms Sure, I'll shoot an ult that most people push in and throw in my face . Why didn't I think of that because I can do 200 dps in .5 sec before it explodes also while being shot by 3 people. mmmhmm, make sense, buddy keep on your horrible takes

Hi all, we have a couple of balance updates that we just pushed live! 🛠️ADJUSTED: AXLE - Nitro Gate - Reduced max in-world count from 3 to 2 - Reduced hp from 150 to 100 CONDUIT - Radiant Transfer - Decreased regen rate from 15/s to 10/s - Increased regen duration from 6s to 8s - Decreased total ally regen from 90 to 80 - Decreased total self-regen from 60 to 56 - Increased Instant Barrier regen duration from 4s to 6s

People already had a year of saving since they announced it. Not to mention, players already get one of the two collab characters for free (which they didn’t even have to do) by practially logging in & it’s still not enough? Do people think free games, gachas specifically, run on playerbase hopes & dreams or something?💀

50/50 needs to die. SPECIALLY in a collab event.

@ItzPerka Is it that surprising given they’re the studio that started COD?

@thatsidewaysdud @ItzPerka MWII & MWIII had campaign early access too yet MWII is considered decent at best & MWIII is considered one of the worst ever. So your point doesn’t even hold. Not to mention early access for BO6 campaign didn’t even happen…

@ItzPerka BO7’s campaign didn’t have early access because it sucked. BO6 did because it was actually good. It’s really simple.

Oh yeah, I and practically any Destiny 2 player would agree the DCV sucks. But because of those very same agreement terms, etc, that the players agreed to with their product, it is why that very same shitty practice is able to be done, and why the players, the community, can't do anything about it. The frustration towards that and similar practices are warranted and my replies weren't to deter that anger away from the corp, its just to explain in the more simpler ways why its possible to be done. Nonetheless, the reply is appreciated.

The issue isn't whether the EULA lets them do it legally. The issue is that it's a shitty anti-consumer practice. Players paid real money for that content (often at full price when it launched). Now it's completely gone — not just vaulted in some archive, but in many cases actually deleted to the point even Bungie doesn't have playable builds anymore.

Now that the game is done can I have my base-game and DLC content back that I paid for?

And without deflecting again, care to show where in my replies that I am in support Bungie's decision in putting content in the DCV? Or are you incapable because you realized I never did to begin with, can't say "My bad", and you were just using words for the sake of using them? You do realize its possible to provide facts and evidence without having a bias to a certain side, right?

@Avert_Burden @DoctorBattalisk @rocketslothluke And all I said was that it should not be that way.

@Wav_OAK @PrimelordTech @DoctorBattalisk @rocketslothluke Me providing the legal and technical explanation & answers for how the company got away with removing content = defending it with a “redditor attitude”, whatever that means? You realize it’s possible to present evidence without necessarily having a bias to a side, right?

@Avert_Burden @PrimelordTech @DoctorBattalisk @rocketslothluke You quite literally did nothing but defend the companies predatory practices and did so with a laughably embarrassing redditor attitude.