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@HSK_del_tayfoon @johannesmkx Then why were the people who actually risked something to get into Ceuta there to get out of Morocco and into Spain rather than take it over for Morocco? Why are tons of migrants from other continents constantly trying to get into Europe? They arent people that have peace.

@BKsupre @johannesmkx Indeed, Ummayad spend 80ich years in Iberia then Moroccan dysnasties for 800 years. Pushed back as you said. Now, we are in the era of United Nation after 2 world wars, Spain should leave Africa and let each nation leave in peace in its own continent.

It's time to give Alaska to Canada. I don't know why such people never think of the consequences of what they're saying.

@JakeLang It looks like the people throwing stones are mocking a peaceful event too.

Dearborn Police have JUST released the DRONE footage of Muslim animals throwing massive STONES at my head… They tried to rip me out of a SQUAD CAR & kill me in Jihad Thank you Jesus Christ I am still alive ✝️🙏

@charbiyou @MosiniElisa Maybe they took the land because they were military strong points Berbers and a caliphate used to attack them before pushing them out of Iberia. Is it wrong to prevent yourself from being attacked by people after being attacked by them?

@MosiniElisa No. It is Spain. Spain that bears the moral responsibility, since it still maintains cities on another continent.. Africa. Hispania means 'land of the rabbits.' There are no rabbits in North Africa. Cebta and Melilya are not Spain.

Morocco bears moral responsibility for the deaths caused by this attack against Spain. Using human beings, including children, as tools and livestock to pursue its own opaque motives violates human dignity. Morocco should be ashamed of itself and be held accountable.

@zetascale63727 @MosiniElisa Is that why your people want to move to Europe rather than stay in your country? Are all the cards you hold just victim cards?

@MosiniElisa The EU can't do anything about it, you're powerless. We hold all the cards and have been for decades. We can flood Europe with all of Africa's migrants at any moment if we want, we don't owe you anything, we aren't your security guards. Either pay up billions or give Ceuta back.

@Azul_altern @MosiniElisa So their own government treats them like shit still is your argument?

@MosiniElisa Here is your moral responsabiliy. This is what Spain to my people with chemical gas. Leaving the country with France with 700 doctors and 90% illetracy. Morocco reduced by 70 points illetracy.

@__Naoufal @Spoon3r_ @VsemHren @MosiniElisa @grok What happened when berbers allied with their caliphate conquerors and invaded Iberia? When they were defeated did Iberia rightfully take over the military strongpoints the Berbers and caliphate attacked them from along the coast opposite them? Is that somehow wrong?

@Spoon3r_ @VsemHren @MosiniElisa @grok @grok already answered the retards you are :)

@CapitalistOG My opinion is that they should settle it civilly and also that it isnt wrong for Spain to have it currently given how they acquired it historically. Berbers of the area allied with a caliphate that invaded Iberia. When pushed out Iberia took where they started their attack from.

Funny how some turn the Ceuta issue into a “Christian vs Muslim” fight. Morocco is America’s oldest ally since 1786, stood with the US in the Iran war. However Spain blocked US bases, opposed the operation. Perhaps it’s time for Morocco to get back Ceuta and Melilla? Loyalty > lectures.​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​ What’s your opinion?

@maroca1ducanada @ldpsincomplejos Berbers allied with Ummayad caliphate and invaded Iberia. Arabs mistreated the Berbers and their fighting allowed Iberia to regroup and push them both out. To avoid another attack Iberia claimed the coastal military strongpoints they were initially attacked from. Is that wrong?

@ldpsincomplejos Las murallas construidas por la dinastía meriní marroquí ya existían antes de que España existiera. Pedazo de idiota, ve a informarte; tu cerebro está podrido por la propaganda.

Por poner en perspectiva: - Ceuta pertenece a España desde antes de que existieran los Estados Unidos, Alemania o Italia. - Ceuta es de soberanía española desde antes de que Niza fuera de soberanía francesa. - Ceuta está en África de la misma manera exacta que Estambul está en Europa. - Ceuta está más cerca del continente europeo que Londres.

@HSK_del_tayfoon @johannesmkx So Berbers who allied with Ummayad caliphate invaded Iberia and were eventually pushed out? While they fought with the Arabs who mistreated them Iberia regrouped and pushed them both out. They then claimed the military strong points used to attack them. What is wrong with that?

@johannesmkx Morocco never sold them to Spain as Russia sold Alaska to the US. Ceuta and Mellila are European colonies in Africa and will be decolonized sooner or later

@theGreatAdrar @johannesmkx So the people that illegally entered Ceuta did so to claim it for Morocco and not to get away from Morocco and into Spain?

@johannesmkx He's right. Spain is a colonialist imperialist country and society. You need to get ouf and stick to yr main land

@MyRightToExist @BrotherRasheed The Spanish also did mot commit the biggest genocide in human history in the Americas either. Most historians dont even classify the wrongs there (forced labor and exploitation) as genocide because 90% of the deaths were from disease and more than that were unintentional.

@BKsupre @BrotherRasheed The Spanish empire committed the biggest genocide in human history in South America and elsewhere. Unlike Gaza where the population miraculously increased during the “genocide”. 🙄🫩

Morocco did it. But why? Morocco did not facilitate this to punish Spain over Gaza. It was not acting on orders from the United States or Israel. The reason is much simpler: it worked before. Morocco used the same tactic during the 2021 Ceuta crisis and concluded that migration is an effective tool of political pressure. So it used it again, this time on a much larger scale. The message to Madrid was clear: Support Algeria, back positions that undermine Morocco on the Sahara issue, and we can create problems on your own territory. It was a reminder that Morocco claims Ceuta and that, if it chooses, it can unleash thousands of its own citizens toward the enclave to pressure Spain. When the images spread internationally and the situation began to spiral beyond what was politically useful, Morocco reversed course. By then, the message had already been delivered. Madrid knows exactly what happened but has every incentive to avoid saying it publicly. The Governor of Ceuta, however, did not mince words.

@MyRightToExist @BrotherRasheed That is good to see and I appreciate that. I also looked it up to make sure. So much different information is around about Israel and Palestine. I also dont think it is at all a fair or honest claim to say the Iberian Requonquista was a genocide.

@VetTx23 @goddek Yet we do it strategically all over the world protecting trade routes that benefit us and others.

@BKsupre @goddek It’s a clear strategic threat. There’s no way we’d allow anyone to cut off our sea access or own military installation on our soil. We would have already taken action to remove anyone even if they occupied our land for 800 years. These aren’t islands, it’s a contiguous landmass🤷🏼‍♂️

“SPAIN SHOULD RETURN CEUTA TO MOROCCO.” Sure. Let’s start the clock in 711 and see who owes who: In 711, a Berber commander named Tariq ibn Ziyad crossed from North Africa and landed in Spain. His launch point was Ceuta. Within seven years almost the entire Iberian Peninsula was under Arab occupation, governed from Damascus. By 732 the Arab raiders were even at Tours, deep inside France. Taking it back took 781 years: Covadonga 722. Toledo 1085. Lisbon 1147. Las Navas de Tolosa 1212. Córdoba 1236. Valencia 1238. Seville 1248. Portugal finished in 1249 when Faro fell. The Portuguese-Spanish border has barely moved since and is one of the oldest continuous borders in Europe. Castile and Aragon needed another 243 years. What was left was Granada, which survived from 1238 mostly by paying tribute to Castile and waiting out Christian civil wars. Here is the part none of those “Ceuta is a Spanish colony” shills talk about: In 1415 King João I of Portugal sailed across the strait and took Ceuta from the Marinids in a single day. One of his sons was Henry the Navigator. The Age of Discovery starts there. So Portugal was conquering African soil while European soil, less than 300 km to the northeast, was still under Muslim rule. Boabdil, the last Nasrid Sultan of Granada, handed the keys to the Alhambra to Ferdinand II of Aragon and Isabella I of Castile on 2 January 1492, marking the end of nearly eight centuries of Muslim rule in Iberia. Later that same year, the Catholic Monarchs issued the Alhambra Decree, ordering the expulsion of Jews who refused to convert to Christianity. Coincidently, 1492 also marked the beginning of Spain’s rise as a global power, ushering in the Spanish Golden Age. For context and scale: the First Crusade began in 1096. That is 385 years after Spain was invaded. Anyone who starts this story with the Crusades is starting in the middle. Also, Spain never conquered Ceuta. In 1580 the Portuguese royal line died out and Philip II inherited the throne. When Portugal broke away again in 1640, Ceuta chose Madrid. Portugal formally ceded it in the Treaty of Lisbon in 1668. TL;DR: – Ceuta has been in Iberian hands since 1415. 611 years, uninterrupted. – Spanish since 1640, by treaty since 1668. 386 and 358 years. – Morocco independent in its current form since 1956. 70 years. Ceuta was Roman, then Byzantine, then fought over by Visigoths, then taken by Arab armies around 710. It has never been part of an independent Morocco. NOT ONE SINGLE DAY. Before anyone calls Ceuta a colony, explain what was founded in Andalusia in 711. Go ahead. I’m waiting.

@VetTx23 @goddek When they were expelled did it make sense for who expelled them to take over the military strong points they were attacked from? You know, like Ceuta? The Berbers got played by Ummayad as well and this resentment left room for Iberia to rebuild and eventually push them out.

@goddek It remains their ancestral homeland, which they've inhabited for millennia, whether you call it Morocco or Narnia. They are the indigenous people there. Berber ruled Spain for 700 years but were never native to it, and were eventually expelled. This situation is no different.

@aminerehioui @goddek So when Berbers aligned with the Ummayad caliphate to invade Iberia and were eventually pushed out it was wrong of Iberia to claim the military strong points they were attacked from to prevent it from happening again?

@LPCLC_TX @LPTN1776 What are 80,000 people doing illegally entering a city of 80,000 people? Is that just immigration? I wouldnt call it an armed military invasion and I wouldn't call it immigration. It is an invasion of people who were manipulated by their government for a political purpose though.

@LPTN1776 No patrick. Immigration isnt an "invasion" no matter how many times its repeated.

This is an invasion. “Israel is publicly backing Islamic uprisings in Northern Africa to launch a larger invasion of Spain and finally the whole of Europe.” None of these are women and children, just military-age men.

@Antigua93 @WielkiLis So that was the only reason Iberia took over coastal areas of North Africa? It wasnt to prevent another invasion by taking the strong points they were invaded from?

@WielkiLis Portugal seizing an African port in 1415 literally launched the European Colonial Era. Rebranding medieval naval invasions as "pre-colonial Iberian ownership" is embarrassing mental gymnastics. The desperation in these tweets is getting sad.

ownership of Ceuta by the Iberians predates the Colonial Era, but ok do go off

@ayoub_AL6 @jotunfo @mikelan98 @VerminusM If you want to call it colonization that's fine then. It leaves an argument open that not all colonization is bad or wrong. If pushing back an enemy that invaded you and taking the strong points they used to invade you is colonization why is that wrong?

@jotunfo @mikelan98 @BKsupre @VerminusM history says it was colonisation, I'm not sorry.

Interesting observation: Ceuta has been in Christian hands for longer than Constantinople has been in Muslim hands.

@ayoub_AL6 @jotunfo @VerminusM Because Berbers allied with Ummayad caliphate and invaded Iberia. They were eventually pushed back out to Northern Africa and coastal areas were taken where they drew their original attack from to prevent it from happening again.

@jotunfo @VerminusM the question, is how it became spanish, I'm still on the subject. You're the one trying to make it about the list and arab invasions. The list is the way it is because it shows at which point and how it became Spanish. IT IS NOT A NATURAL SPAiN TERRITORY.

@ayoub_AL6 @VerminusM Arabs arent native to Africa in the same sense. However Berbers allied with them to conquer Iberia and Ceuta and other coastal areas were taken when they were pushed back into Africa to prevent it from happening again.

@VerminusM something you stole doesn't become yours the longer you hold onto it you retard. Spaniards aren't native to Africa, Native north africans didn't steal Ceuta, it's just part of their home.