Darin Bracy

@Rultpwr Well that would make you an apostate. Congratulations you are a heretic in two faiths now.

@BasicBaptistGuy I dont think Jesus had a body of flesh and bone before his mortal ministry...

@BasicBaptistGuy John saw an invisible Spirit? You want to stick with that?

@Rultpwr James to your fellow kindergarteners who cannot grasp actual theology categories I can understand the struggle that you have. But you are well on your way to being an atheist you have the materialistic world view down, and you pretty much deny God. So good luck with that.

@BasicBaptistGuy Darin, I dangle the carrot and make you say ridiculous things. Now when people tell me God is spirit and nobody can see him, I can refer them to you!

@RestoredTruth8 RIF UpChuck, I know reading comprehension is not high on the tyrannical religious organization agenda but even you can understand that. Hey when you going to exegete Matthew 3:16-17 and Mark 12:29? It’s been like 4 days.

@BasicBaptistGuy Where does that support the notion to strawman a religion constantly and attack them? lol you are horrible at reading the bible without your presuppositions

I know why;)

@Rultpwr So why are you having such a cow about it? Everyone knows from history that Harris is a strange man, he had done lots of strange things before Smith, he continued to do strange things with Smith (lost 116 pages) did a lot of strange things after Smith. He is a lose cannon.

@BasicBaptistGuy all of this to say, the Martin Harris deer thing is hearsay. third-hand at best, and Martin Harris never publicly confirmed it. So you jumped through weird hoops and contradicted yourself to argue hearsay lmao

@Rultpwr James you are such as silly materialistic person. Again you limit God and what He can do, you continue to pretend that God is flesh and bone limited to a physical body, Kindergarten theology.

Jesus had a full human body in the Old Testament? He just takes it off and puts it back on like a suit whenever He wants? Darin, you're making this up as you go and not seeing how ridiculous it sounds. Christophanies are one thing, but now you're inventing a divine wardrobe for the pre-incarnate Christ to explain away the contradictions

@SimplyWithFaith The only thing you have done here is to show how much LDS folks proof text. All of these verse are taken out of context, and I am sure that is not the first time you have heard this. But there is one simple question that show it is different. Is salvation the end?

Wow, thanks for proving you follow the gospel according to your interpretation of Paul, not the gospel of Jesus Christ that came through Paul. Paul certainly distinguished justification from sanctification, but he did not separate salvation from enduring faithfulness the way many modern systems sometimes do. The New Testament repeatedly speaks of salvation in past, present, and future terms: - “By grace ye are saved” (Ephesians 2:8) - “Unto us which are being saved” (1 Corinthians 1:18) - “He that endureth to the end shall be saved” (Matthew 24:13) So while justification may describe the initial reconciliation to God, the NT still consistently teaches the necessity of continuing in faith, obedience, and covenant relationship with Christ. Paul himself taught: - “If ye continue in the faith…” (Colossians 1:23) - “Work out your own salvation with fear and trembling” (Philippians 2:12) - “We shall reap, if we faint not” (Galatians 6:9) He also warned believers repeatedly against falling away, returning to sin, or believing in vain. Therefore, the issue is not whether salvation is earned progressively by works — Paul clearly rejects that idea. The issue is whether saving faith is living, enduring, and transformative versus merely momentary or intellectual. The broader NT picture presents salvation not merely as a one-time transaction, but as an enduring covenant relationship with Christ that must be maintained through faithful discipleship. In other words, the New Testament teaches that genuine faith is not merely intellectual agreement or a momentary profession. True belief is demonstrated through enduring faithfulness, obedience, repentance, and continued discipleship throughout one’s life. A person may verbally or mentally profess Christ, but the lasting evidence of genuine conversion is remaining in Him and faithfully following Him to the end. Or even more precisely, enduring faithfulness is not what replaces faith — it is what reveals real faith.

Another gospel, really? #FloodXwithTruth #SaintsOnX #BuildZionOnX #LDSX #LDX

@Rultpwr The question is not can He, it is a question does He need to. Since He has given us the scriptures, there is no reason for Him to go walk about with Harris in the woods. Categories James, you really struggle with categories.

@BasicBaptistGuy God can't make himself in the form of a deer? You seem to be putting a lot of limitation of what God can and cannot do. Matthew 19:26 All things are possible with God, so if God wants to make Himself visible as a deer, who are you to say He cannot?

Lord forgive me for triggering @stackerco Names a list of Books Stacker will never read. See below.

@Rultpwr James this was a nice attempt, but as normal, you are still wrong, you did not read the text properly, the Spirit descends like a dove, it is not in the form of a dove, so yes Harris walking with a deer who he thought was Jesus is still strange. But nice attempt at distraction.

@BasicBaptistGuy My answer is yes because with God all things are possible

@Rultpwr Well James I thought you did not believe in the Kenosis, and the Hypostatic Union? Yes Jesus came often in the form of man (Genesis 19), but Moses asked to see God face to face. God's Holiness is not something that is negotiable. Sinful creatures cannot look upon a Holy God.

@BasicBaptistGuy God couldn't change Moses to allow him to withstand Him? limitation!

@Rultpwr James can you stand on the face of the Sun and live? No Is the Sun limited to the amount of light it gives out because you cannot stand on it and live? No. You dying is not a limitation of God, it is a limitation on you being sinful. But keep thinking that way Atheist to be.

@BasicBaptistGuy God can't make people able to look upon His full glory? Sounds like a limitation

@Rultpwr Again, Moses asked to see God as He was, and God says you cannot see me as I AM, because you would die. God could have shown Himself to Moses and Moses would have been dead. This should be a concept that even you can understand.

@BasicBaptistGuy "with God, all things are possible, except showing Himself to Moses"

@Rultpwr James, this is the problem with LDS you believing that everything is material. Categories, you do not understand nor have a concept of categories. You cannot look upon God's face for in His face is His full glory. That is why Moses could not look upon His face.

Darin, this isn't good. I've been told by many baptists that Joseph Smith could not have seen God because God is spirit and "no one has ever seen God" but you're telling me God CAN be seen. Are you sure you want to stick with that? (you apparently believe God can't make himself visible to Moses)

@Rultpwr So God cannot make Himself visible if He so choses James? You seem to be putting a lot of limitation of what God can and cannot do. Matthew 19:26 All things are possible with God, so if the Spirit of God wants to make Himself visible who are you to say He cannot?

@BasicBaptistGuy Spirits aren't invisible?!?!?!?

@Rultpwr The SpirIT, would you prefer I use a pronoun, He. Would that be better James? Still does not change your bad exegesis.

@BasicBaptistGuy "it" what's "it"?

Martin Harris, after learning from Charles Anthon that the whole thing was a scam, did what any perfectly sane person would do: dedicated himself more fully to Joseph Smith, mortgaged his farm to pay for the printing of the Book of Mormon, and risked destroying his marriage, his family, and his reputation with his neighbors

@Rultpwr God did not come in the form of a dove, it descended like a dove. As it came down slowly and gracefully, the Spirit was not a dove. Read closer James.

@BasicBaptistGuy God can come in form of a dove for you, but not a deer? sad!

Seriously why do LDS folks take this seriously? The first is Smith himself, already a proven liar, he stole money from people when he told them he could find treasure. He has impeached himself. The rest are mostly his treasure digging buddies all associated with Smith.

Always helpful when Mormons just prove our point. One you can tell they do not know what Paul taught and they do not know they post the heretical teachings for everyone to see. Paul did not teach baptismal regeneration Paul did not teach Endure to the end. Different Gospel