Natesh Pillai

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Natesh Pillai

Natesh Pillai

@Bayesprof

AI + Math. Professor of Statistics @Harvard, Distinguished Engineer at LinkedIn. Scientist, Entrepreneur. Chess & Desserts fanatic. Grew up in Kerala.

Katılım Temmuz 2022
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Natesh Pillai
Natesh Pillai@Bayesprof·
@scottnarmstrong Is there a doc that contains 10-15 key open problems in pdes. I am aware of NS, some super critical stuff, some on relativity etc. Consolidating these (to the extent one can) will be super useful.
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Inaya Malik
Inaya Malik@InayaMalik26·
@Bayesprof Do you worry that if AI handles most publishable results grant money and academic jobs might shrink anyway ?🤔
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Natesh Pillai
Natesh Pillai@Bayesprof·
Chess is solved 10 years ago as far as computers are concerned. Human competitive chess is thriving today; especially 960 is far from solved. Chess is a board game with far less potential to scientific breakthroughs compared to mathematics. If anything mathematics will be far more attention bottlenecked than today because of the sheer amount of research directions to pursue. I guess the point behind these kind of timelines is whether society should/must value human efforts in mathematics. I am an optimist and the I think the answer will always be a yes. @littmath @DanielRensch thoughts?
Christian Szegedy@ChrSzegedy

For math, I give it about a year, as well, (maybe two) due to the vastly higher diversity and complexity of math compared to chess.

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François Chollet
François Chollet@fchollet·
Whenever an AI tells me I'm absolutely right, my trust in it drops by a bit
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Christian Szegedy
Christian Szegedy@ChrSzegedy·
@elusives_ One failure mode of my statement could be that the goal of mathematics is much less clearly defined than that of chess (winning). If we consider the social aspect of chess as well, then human chess is more alive than it has ever been before. Maybe the same will be true for math.
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Natesh Pillai
Natesh Pillai@Bayesprof·
@GregHBurnham I would argue that there will be infinitely such fruits, almost by construction. One way to make progress in mathematics is to conquer the next frontier that is just out of reach using current technology and/or lines of attack.
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Greg Burnham
Greg Burnham@GregHBurnham·
From our podcast with Daniel Litt, recorded prior to GPT-5.2. Consistent with his remarks on the unit distance problem. Now that we're firmly into AI solving hard, low-hanging fruit, two questions: how much such fruit is there, and how long before AI goes beyond that?
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Steven Pinker
Steven Pinker@sapinker·
Breaking news: Harvard faculty votes to cap the number of A's awarded in course grades, a big step in combatting the grade inflation that has been dumbing down our courses, conveying the wrong message to students, and making universities a national laughingstock.
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Dewy.dee
Dewy.dee@deebayleaf·
One of my friends from Kerala told me that if you hire a cab there and visit your relatives, the driver is also invited to dine at the same table as everyone else. Furthermore, this sense of equality extends to restaurants as well. I truly hope this is true; it is beautiful if it is, especially since we see so much classism and mistreatment of drivers, domestic helpers, and other professionals in the rest of India.
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Natesh Pillai
Natesh Pillai@Bayesprof·
Love this! I think there will always be problems to solve (perhaps at a higher level) even when AI gets better. Also science/math is not a zero sum game! There will always be more to do.
jacob tsimerman@Jacob_Tsimerman

I want to clarify my thoughts on problem-solving in mathematics, and the potential consequences of AI for the field. For context, I’m quoting here my post in reply to Daniel Litt (who, echoing others, I find very clear, grounded, and insightful in his thinking). The claim The short version is that I think problem-solving is an immense, and pervasive part of modern mathematical research. Consequently, if human problem-solving disappears by virtue of the AIs becoming strictly and substantially better at it, then most of the time currently spent by modern mathematical researchers will have to be spent on an activity that is altogether pretty different. Whether such an activity is viable as a professional endeavour is something I am unsure of, but strongly encourage others to think about and try to envision, so that if/when the time comes, we can steer such a future into being. Allow me to make this somewhat concrete: by problem-solving I mean questions of the form “is T true? If so find a proof. If not, find a disproof.” where T is a precise mathematical statement. I’ll also include “find an example of S, if there is one” where S is some structure (variety/category/property/isomorphism/….). The argument Ok. Now as I said (and some have echoed) I spend ~all of my time problem-solving as my primary goal. This has sub-goals, but my entire main research field disappears if someone solves the Zilber-Pink Conjecture in its more general form. This is a single conjecture (precisely stated!) and lots of mathematicians, postdocs, and graduate students are engaged in picking apart special cases of it, trying strategies, finding analogies to develop intuition, etc.. Of course, lots of motivation and intuition and analogizing and understanding have gone into deciding to make the ZP conjecture a focus! But the fact remains that this is now what is being worked on ~all of the time by this community. This is true of many mathematicians. They have a problem (or ten) and spend most of their time doing it. If someone solves it, they have to find a different problem. This can be a big, disorienting process involving a lot of energy, and is neither trivial nor always fun (though often rewarding in the end). People have written a lot about Theory building vs. Problem-solving, and I want to first of all clarify I have nothing against theory building or theory builders! It is a valuable part of mathematics, and while there are differences in perspective between the “camps” there is way more mutual respect and agreement. However, I gather there is a perception that theory-builders spend most of their time not-problem-solving, and I think this is largely untrue. Now I’m not a theory-builder primarily (though I’ve partaken a LITTLE BIT by necessity) so I am outside of my comfort zone. As such, I apologize for mistakes and welcome corrections! But theory-building constantly runs through problem-solving. Let’s say you want to define the right notion of a cohomology theory. Of course you must make candidate definitions. But then what does it mean for it to be the right one? Well, you start asking if it has natural properties. These are T statements. Does it satisfy a Kunneth formula? Is it functorial in the right way? When you have the wrong one you have to find the properties it’s missing, and when you have the right one you have to prove that it indeed has those properties. Again, I am not saying nor do I believe that this makes problem-solving “real math” and theory-building lesser. I am just trying to draw attention to the way I think research mathematicians operate, and mathematics is practiced. To put all this a different way, imagine you had access to an AI oracle that could resolve statements T, but somehow lacked any creativity to build technology or make definitions (I think this is unlikely, but for the purpose of this thought experiment lets imagine it). How would your mathematics change, if you were a theory builder? Well, you make a definition, and want to know if it’s the right one. You immediately ask your oracle a thousand questions. From “are these basic properties true” to “ooh, so is this deep conjecture true?” and start getting back answers, and amending your definitions. You could invent and resolve entire research directions in days. But the confusion you would have had to push through to flesh out your theory would largely (probably not entirely) be instantly resolved and the whole process sped up tremendously by your oracle. A big part of the process would be gone. This is very very different to modern mathematics. One more thought This post is too long already, but I’ve seen some people say that they only do mathematics to find truth and others valourize that as the only virtuous way to be. I do not do mathematics only to find truth. I do it largely because I enjoy it and I am good at it. I also find it beautiful and am grateful I get to spend my days understanding beautiful things. But I enjoy the challenge, the process, resolving confusions, finding strategies, grappling with problems. I would like to push for this being de-stigmatized. Mathematicians are people who need money, housing, food, love, exercise, and a great deal of other stuff including various forms of meaning. There are many people whose primary enjoyment of math comes through problem solving in one of its incarnations. If that disappears, that is not a trivial issue and many of them might not want to do it anymore (even if there were some way to proceed).

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Natesh Pillai
Natesh Pillai@Bayesprof·
By this measure, it is also true for quite a lot of human solved mathematics. The “important/notorious” ones are those that people don’t know how to solve including the millennium problems. Also, mathematics is one of the few fields where everyone knows what the key problems are but don’t know how to solve; of course this is a slight exaggeration. In other fields, the key is knowing what the right question is.
Konstantin Mishchenko@konstmish

As AI solves more open problems in math, it will be revealed almost every time that the solved problem wasn’t very important after all. But those problems that can’t be solved with AI will likely attract more attention as presenting a unique challenge not covered by prior work.

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Manu S Pillai
Manu S Pillai@UnamPillai·
In many parts of Kerala, oil used in temples had to be 'purified' by the touch of a Syrian Christian. In Ep 7 of SAGA with @Arpo_IN I sat down with Pallikonam Rajeev to discuss the sociocultural & political history of the Syrian Christians. Watch here youtu.be/XuhftsGmUNw
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Natesh Pillai
Natesh Pillai@Bayesprof·
Well the Bayesian answer is that perhaps the big labs focussed more on these areas for pre training including constructing synthetic data. The imo style is already similar to combinatorics. But I must say, I have been truly surprised.
Daniel Litt@littmath

Still underrated how uneven frontier models are within math, IMO. I’ve recently been reading through some of the more interesting solutions to Erdős problems and quite enjoying them—here the models are reliably executing nontrivial ideas, combining known techniques, etc. But…

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