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Blithering Genius

@BlitheringGenX

Realist and pragmatist. https://t.co/AgvNSv9qUJ

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Blithering Genius
Blithering Genius@BlitheringGenX·
@webmasterdave @elonmusk It is representative of a wider problem: anti-white policies and bias in the application of the law. By contrast, the George Floyd death was not representative of a social problem. Do you have statistics for crime offending rates by ethnicity and religion in the UK?
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David Pearce
David Pearce@webmasterdave·
@BlitheringGenX @elonmusk But violent crime - indeed any crime - is extremely unusual in Britain Sikh community. Elon has seized on this tragedy as though it were representative of a wider problem when it’s not.
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Elon Musk
Elon Musk@elonmusk·
This is so unjust
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Blithering Genius
Blithering Genius@BlitheringGenX·
@webmasterdave @elonmusk Yes, let's not forget the 20th century wars, and other catastrophes, such as communism. But let's also understand that we live in the present, not the past, and we have new problems.
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David Pearce
David Pearce@webmasterdave·
@BlitheringGenX @elonmusk The Geneva Convention doesn’t mandate open borders. Countries may regulate immigration policy as they see fit. But the Geneva Convention does prohibit mass deportation and ethnic cleansing. Let’s not forget the horrors of twentieth-century history.
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Blithering Genius
Blithering Genius@BlitheringGenX·
@webmasterdave @elonmusk Human rights are a construct. And if those rights lead to the destruction of our civilization, I'd rather fight against them. I don't think the Geneva convention requires a country to accept infinity migrants, but if it does, then any sane country should withdraw from it.
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David Pearce
David Pearce@webmasterdave·
@BlitheringGenX @elonmusk Yes, the UK Government could withdraw from the Geneva Convention. But we would all do well to strengthen legal protections of human rights, not try to undermine them.
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Blithering Genius
Blithering Genius@BlitheringGenX·
@webmasterdave @elonmusk The rule of law is an essential part of civilization. However, we don't have a global rule of law, and people make laws. If the UK government makes remigration the law, it will be the law. You're dodging the actual issues here.
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David Pearce
David Pearce@webmasterdave·
@BlitheringGenX @elonmusk The rule of law is the bedrock of civilization. The Geneva Convention prohibits mass deportations and other human rights abuses, Never again.
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Blithering Genius
Blithering Genius@BlitheringGenX·
@webmasterdave @elonmusk What does that have to do with anything? International law is a construct created by some bureaucrats and it has no force, so it's meaningless. And laws can be "odious", can't they? It makes no sense to appeal to the law in a discussion about social laws/policies.
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Blithering Genius
Blithering Genius@BlitheringGenX·
@webmasterdave @elonmusk Perhaps, or perhaps you have bought into a worldview that is based on false premises, and you want to defend that worldview from falsification. Both political sides exploit tragedies, don't they? Will you admit that the "BLM" mania of 2020 was wildly inappropriate?
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Blithering Genius
Blithering Genius@BlitheringGenX·
@webmasterdave @elonmusk Is there any evidence that the Sikh was "racially abused"? What was the nature of this abuse? From what I've heard, the Sikh tried to grab Nowak's phone, leading to a fight. As for "exploiting the tragedy for political gain", this is the post George Floyd era.
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David Pearce
David Pearce@webmasterdave·
@elonmusk This wasn’t a race-hate murder. Quite the opposite - a Sikh was assaulted, racially abused and he defended himself with tragic consequences. Far-right extremists are now exploiting the tragedy for political gain.
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Blithering Genius
Blithering Genius@BlitheringGenX·
@webmasterdave @elonmusk Desire is motivation. When desire goes down, you experience pleasure. When desire goes up, you experience pain. Motivation also involves orientation toward a goal or stimulus (attention), and that pathway uses dopamine, I think.
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Blithering Genius
Blithering Genius@BlitheringGenX·
@webmasterdave @elonmusk True. Desire is not equivalent to feelings of pain and pleasure. However, desire does generate feelings of pleasure or pain, when it is fulfilled or frustrated. And that isn't relevant to the point about pain and pleasure being qualia and zero-sum.
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Elon Musk
Elon Musk@elonmusk·
What is the best possible future? This question is much harder to answer than it may seem.
Resist the Mainstream@ResisttheMS

Elon Musk: "Let's say you're praying to God and you ask for a given future. What future do you want God to give you? Probably, a future where there's amazing abundance for all."x.com/ElonClipsX/sta… "I think we want a future with love. That seems like a no-brainer. Peace is an interesting one because, you know, sometimes the price for complete peace may be too high because the complete peace may require too much suppression of the people."

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Blithering Genius
Blithering Genius@BlitheringGenX·
@webmasterdave @elonmusk There is no *objective* scale. The pain-pleasure axis is a dimension of subjectivity. Pain and pleasure are qualia. Pain and pleasure are qualities of experience associated with changing motivational states.
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David Pearce
David Pearce@webmasterdave·
@BlitheringGenX @elonmusk From a pinprick to agony, and from a faint flicker of well-being to orgasmic ecstasy...are you really denying there is a hedonic scale??
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Blithering Genius
Blithering Genius@BlitheringGenX·
@webmasterdave @elonmusk I don't believe it is possible to pick a hedonic range. Pain and pleasure are qualia, and like all qualia, they are relative, and thus zero-sum. There is no objective scale. Regardless, I'm not a hedonist, so it wouldn't matter to me.
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David Pearce
David Pearce@webmasterdave·
@BlitheringGenX @elonmusk The long-term future? We can only speculate (and I do). But if you could pick your own hedonic range, would you do so? Do you believe that other people should have the right to choose? What should be the hedonic range of toddlers and nonhuman animals?
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Blithering Genius
Blithering Genius@BlitheringGenX·
@webmasterdave @elonmusk But can it ever come to an end? If motivations are unchanged by hedonic uplift, then presumably you would have the same task ahead of you forever. In your theory, low versus high pleasure is just as motivating as pain versus pleasure.
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David Pearce
David Pearce@webmasterdave·
As you know, I think our overriding ethical priority is fixing the problem of suffering. As an ethical negative utilitarian, I don't think we're _obliged_ to engineer ever-higher hedonic uplift. But mastery of the pleasure-pain axis - and tomorrow the pleasure-superpleasure axis - allows this option. I predict life in the Hedonocene will be sublime.
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Blithering Genius
Blithering Genius@BlitheringGenX·
@webmasterdave @elonmusk Sure, because in your utopia people can still act into the world. But I would still call it a variation on the experience machine. And why would you be satisfied with hedonic uplift? Why not uplift more, and then more, etc? Where does it stop?
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David Pearce
David Pearce@webmasterdave·
@BlitheringGenX @elonmusk If you're a virtue theorist, deontologist, ethical pluralist, religious believer (etc) then hedonic uplift via set-point elevation can leave your values, relationships & preference architecture intact. In contrast, by entering an experience machine you leave your old life behind.
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Blithering Genius
Blithering Genius@BlitheringGenX·
@webmasterdave @elonmusk The only difference between the "brain-in-a-vat" version and your version is how the experience machine is engineered: manipulating a brain, or changing the genetic basis of the brain.
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Blithering Genius
Blithering Genius@BlitheringGenX·
@webmasterdave @elonmusk The point of the thought experiment is to question experience-based value theories. E.g. if you think value resides in pleasure, then the ideal personal outcome is to be in the experience machine, with the dials set to supreme bliss.
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Blithering Genius
Blithering Genius@BlitheringGenX·
@webmasterdave @elonmusk I'm saying that your utopia is also an "experience machine". Because you think experience is what matters, you want to engineer everything around that. In your utopia, the world becomes the experience machine.
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David Pearce
David Pearce@webmasterdave·
@BlitheringGenX @elonmusk l’ve no objectuon to immersive VR and experience machines after all our ethical duties have been discharged, But the beauty of hedonic recalibration is how it allows full engagement in (what passes as) the resl world. I sat a bit more here: #experiencemachine" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">hedweb.com/quora/2015.htm…
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David Pearce
David Pearce@webmasterdave·
@elonmusk If you’re a classical utilitarian, then the best future is a hedonium shockwave of pure bliss. If you’re a negative utilitarian, then intelligent life based on gradients of superhuman bliss is fine - even if theoretical cosmic abundance of bliss isn’t maximized.
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