Bringerx
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@Bringerx13 @agoxol0 @RiotPhroxzon this dude is literally replying to everyone, and yes and mean EVERYONE that is criticizing mage bot. Literally check his reply history. He's just a mage bot player that wants to keep his temporary boosted elo. once mages are nerfed he's gonna drop. Don't worry too much about him.
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Patch 26.14 Full Preview!
Mages Bot
- we've pulled brand from the patch given the concerns around mages bot
- that said, we know this is a contentious topic, and I'll give some high level thoughts on how we see the situation (and more detailed thoughts in the patch rundown)
- we see mages bot as creating healthy diversity for the bot lane experience overall (roughly 4:1 ratio of traditional marksmen to mages), even though for some traditional marksmen, they can be quite frustrating
- it's important that players experience a mix of games at high intensity (eg. Playing adc against rengar/talon + mages bot) and also games that are more comfortable and low threat (maybe ivern jungle) as it creates the variety and flow state that keeps the game fun
- too much intensity or too little intensity would make the game unfun in the long run as you'd never really feel those spikes of cortisol and triumph (which is one of the reasons assassins need to be strong for example) or be constantly stressed
- marksmen are still the most popular bot carry in both pro and regular play
- mages bot also need to be viable picks to allow teams to undoom themselves in champ select for an ad mid pick like zed/yone/Yasuo
- that said, mages bot have pretty high winrates (often the highest), so aren't they overpowered?
- The winrates don't really tell the full story, but they are definitely strong for several reasons. Mages, especially simple ones like brand, veigar or Swain for example have quite shallow mastery curves (usually only gaining 3-4% after playing ~50 games and also starting very high on game 1) in addition to not being deeply played in bot lane (ie. many mage bot players haven't progressed the mastery curve that far when you encounter them AND the mastery curve is not that steep) -> a similar effect to if you played autofilled malphite top (high skill floor)
- adcs by contrast are typically harder to play but also reward that mastery depth more, meaning their winrates are relatively suppressed compared to mages bot
- I'm not saying that mages at high levels of mastery/skill are weak (see them in pro play or high elo ranked), but mainly saying that winrates don't tell the full story and we see them as relatively similar in power level overall, just often more forgiving and can be more tolerant of matchup
- adcs also have accelerated 3 item spikes in this season (compared to the other roles) due to bot quest, which also presents an interesting strategic balancing point (the mages a bit stronger on early item spikes and weaker on later ones)
- another balancing aspect of mages bot is that they typically represent a composition tradeoff. Eg. ori + yunara/lulu bot lane and win on 2/3 items or AD mid plus ziggs+engage bot and need to end the game fast
- if struggling with mages bot, champs like ezreal/sivir/zeri can be quite effective against them (dodge skills and have strong 2/3 item spikes and out scale)
- anyway, a nuanced conversation that I'll dig into more in a video later
Azir
- players have been complaining about a bunch of bugged functionality for Azir ever since we made the changes to make on hits work on him
- the team has fixed the vast majority of these bugs, eg. Things like jungle monsters not getting shuffled, pta not working, conq stacks, etc.
- thanks to all your bug reports in helping track these down and keep them coming!
Proto Harness
- when looking at our jungle nasus nerfs, we ended up deciding that a better nerf would be to target proto harness
- other users like shen jungle are also pretty strong, so we think pulling the champ nerfs and nerfing the item instead is a better direction and helps retain the power level of top nasus for example
The other changes in this patch are relatively straightforward, but lmk if there's any more detail wanted and I can cover them in the rundown next week

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@LeagueOfLeaks I wished they based this on Season 5, best season ever. And it was classic enough.
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Having played both extensively, this is the best explanation I’ve seen for why APCs are consistently underrated in ADC tier lists like Reptile’s.
I disagree with Phroxzon’s claim that APCs have a shallow mastery curve.
I think APCs are simply overtuned enough that a first-time APC player can already compete with veteran ADC players. My starting APC MMR was basically my peak ADC MMR, leaving little room for win rate growth.
Watch high Challenger mage players like @RIpmcbaze’s old Skill Capped videos. The ceiling is incredibly high.
I also think ADC and mages are almost opposite skill sets.
> ADC: micro dominant, high sustained APM, right hand dominant.
> Mages: decision making dominant, burst APM, left hand dominant.
Those differences attract fundamentally different players.
It’s less “ADC players can just swap” and more like water in a river and water in a well. Both are water, but they rarely mix.
Afroboi@4froboi
I think Mages bot have been rlly op for quite a long time but a lot of adcs werent good enough on mages to execute it properly Since Midlaners are getting filled so often and they just play mages bot More emphasis has been put on it Too bad most adcs can only right click
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@Bringerx13 @thangel3535 @RiotPhroxzon Why do you leave my reply about the actual debate unanswered saying you wont respondanymore?
Yeah bro, i questioned your education level, turns out you are from a third world uneducated shithoule.
Notice how you are refusing to answer the actual debate topic.
No juice for it?👇

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Patch 26.14 Preview!
MSI is in full swing! Had some awesome games and we're pretty happy with the meta overall. There's decent representation across each class (assassins in jungle, a few LeBlanc picks).
Nerfing down some of the strongest picks in bot lane have also led to mages bot being more present in the meta.
We don't find this state particularly problematic right now, but we have had several conversations about the true power level of mages bots (especially when they carry high winrates). That said, there are a few that are over performing in soloq (seraphine) so she's receiving a nerf, but the overall conversation is a lot more nuanced (which pairings, familiarity as opponents, etc.)
Locke
- Locke has had a really resonant start
- players have resonated with his executes, resets and stack into burst gameplay
- he's shown to be a little skill skewed in the same way that a Katarina, akshan or other resetty, roamy champions might be, but not overly so
- that said he's still a bit strong when account for mastery growth and true power level
- his level of early game snowballing is a bit too high right now
- that said, we think his damage is appropriate if he needs to work a little harder to access it. As a result we're nerfing his waveclear (currently) to hit his ability to access it so reliably
- we know that one of the things that players find confronting is his damage output right now, but we think it's valuable to retain these types of unique edges in the game for champions
Systems
- Rocket belt has been one of the premier items for mages (especially immobile) at the highest level for several months now.
- We like and embrace this type of innovation, but it's also providing a bit too much versatility and removing a core weakness of these champs (ability to be killed), so forcing a bit stronger of a tradeoff
- The other major systems change for this patch is a nerf to the mid boots upgrade for gluttonous greaves
- it's adding a nice texture for playing say, mid vs top riven, but it's also the strongest performing boot in that lane and lacks clear counterplay
- again, the innovation here is great, but just a bit strong

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@agoxol0 @thangel3535 @RiotPhroxzon The moment someone brings up your nationality, background, or "IQ" because they can't handle the actual debate, they’ve already lost. It’s the ultimate white flag of someone who ran out of juice five tweets ago.
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@Bringerx13 @thangel3535 @RiotPhroxzon Brother since you only believe AI.... here is one.
Can you understand basic words?
Considering that you sent me a picture of an AI post that literally explained to you in detail why you are wrong, and you thought it was proving you right?
67 IQ thid world behavior man.
Take the L

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@agoxol0 @RiotPhroxzon You inability to stop saying ad hominem is outstanding! what does my birth location has to do with my argument ? You talk about me going personal, run outta arguments and go personal yourself first. Actual mental damage, stay urinated.
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@Bringerx13 @RiotPhroxzon Irony just writes itself.
Bro just say you are from a third world country with 0 education and 67 IQ
WAIT you UNIRONICALLY from there.
LOL nevermind. Now i understand everything about you.
Literal third worlder, no wonder you cant explain a single sentence correctly.


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@agoxol0 @RiotPhroxzon Where did I insult you? That never happened. You're so isolated from reality that you're just making shit up at this point. Go back to the cave you crawled out of."
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@Bringerx13 @RiotPhroxzon No, you are actively refusing to respond to the topic and getting more and more personal.
All of your replies are filled with personal insults, that indicates distress and intellectual failure.
You know you cant prove a screenshot wrong.
Akali Q doesnt do more damage. Compare.

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@agoxol0 @thangel3535 @RiotPhroxzon ''Akali's W doesnt do damage'' no shit, sherlock! Its about the overall resources she has to output damage, you I see your little brain cannot comprehend that so I wont reply no more. Stay piss
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@Bringerx13 @thangel3535 @RiotPhroxzon How is you @Bringerx13 comparing that 2 relevant at all
Just take the L bro are you going to make a clown of yourself for 40 more replies?
You are making complete nonsense comparisons to prove a nonexistent point
you gonna send me a screenshot of akali W again? (it doesnt do dmg)
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@agoxol0 @thangel3535 @RiotPhroxzon No, my argument is that Akali has way more damage than any other assassin and your response proved my point, only her Q alone does more damage than other champs whole kit so don't put like its only ults.
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@Bringerx13 @thangel3535 @RiotPhroxzon So your argument is that a lvl 1 ult does less damage than 4x lvl 5 Q?
lvl 1 Fizz R: 270 +90%
lvl 1 Ekko R: 200 +275%
lvl 5 Akali Q: 145 +60% (4 x 145= 580, 4 x 60%= 240%)
So 4x lvl 5 Akali Q does 580 +240%
You figured out 2nd grade math, and thats not how you measure damage🤪🤡
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@drewlevin Make MMR visible and 50% of complains will go away. You're welcome.
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Reflecting on a number of matchmaking frustrations that people have shared with me over the last few months, I’ve heard a few common frustrations. I’d appreciate it if folks who have felt the pain in this space let me know if this captures their major concerns:
1. Some people believe that offering personal performance-based loss mitigation is mostly doomed, because it creates selfish incentives that pulls a player away from exclusively focusing on helping their team maximize win expectancy.
2. Some people are frustrated with duo queue in Master not having returned. Concerns about duo queue competitive integrity largely sit in two spaces: (a) boosting people from outside/low master into GM+, and (b) the difficulty of balancing games with GM+/GM+ duos, as different duos will contribute different win expectancies in ways that feel like you’re either smashing lobbies or being forced to 2v8.
3. Master+ players feel that there is room to increase queue times if it means narrowing the within-team skill range.
4. Some players do not understand that some accounts in climbing states (e.g. high Diamond MMR, Emerald rank) are being appropriately placed in their respective lobbies on the basis of skill evaluation. This contributes to - but is not the sole or primary driver of - frustration with (3).
How does that read for y’all as “here’s what’s frustrating about matchmaking right now”?
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@Bringerx13 @RiotPhroxzon Oh its you again found your reply...
You want me to show you how a damage chart looks like?
I mean you can just google it or ask an AI
Like this one? Or other specific ones? Are you looking for an average? Google is really your friend
Hopefully you have waited lol




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@agoxol0 @RiotPhroxzon So one damage chart from one game is your ''proof'', I can go Yummi mid and do more damage than my adc, does that mean Yummi has more damage?
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@Bringerx13 @RiotPhroxzon Thats not how you measure damage my friend.
Do you even understand what are you talking about?
Im talking about simple damage carts, or at least you gonna argue on base damage numbers or ratios.
But you are just talking about nonsese as the only "fact" you got correctly

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@agoxol0 @thangel3535 @RiotPhroxzon But we are talking about ults, I full comboed + ult with Ekko and Fizz and they did way less damage than Akali Q, this is not even an opinion, you have the video there. She does not run outta damage, I coulda E and ult there taking the numers to 3k+ damage, go to sleep kid.
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@thangel3535 @Bringerx13 @RiotPhroxzon Nobody is talking about ults.
You had a conversation in your head and got mad about it.
We are talking about measuring damage.
To normal pepole (so not you) that means average damage dealt / match / patch.
Somehow you and @Bringerx13 cant figure this out? Are you 10?
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@agoxol0 @RiotPhroxzon I replied, mental gymnastic is your forte my buy. The fact that you cannot comprehend that Akali does more damage with 1 ability than any other champ tells me what I need to know about you. I understand you're trying and you're doing what you can.
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@Bringerx13 @RiotPhroxzon I dont even know who you are.
Oh
Are you the "Akali does too much dmg guy" who didnt reply after i made fun of how stupid your example was.
Your mental gymnastic is 4x Akali Q does more dmg than 1x Fizz Q
And dont know what a basic damage chart is.
Oh boy, cant wait for the reply
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@lessisthebest1 Micro-wise, yes. In fact, theres better mechanical players in lower elo than high elo. But macro beats all that, the decisions you make in the game at all times are much more important than Yasuo keyblade or Lee Sin insec.
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@Bringerx13 The role "Botlane" is colloquially called ADC.
You are a moron if you think Brand and Karthus can't shred a tank.
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@agoxol0 @RiotPhroxzon At this point you're starting to get obsessed with me, let it go, just take the L.
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@Bringerx13 MARKSMEN is all about DPS, kiting, spacing, tank slaying, etc.
How about broaden your horizons as a player and learn how to contribute to the game in different ways.
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@agoxol0 @RiotPhroxzon She needs the same timeframe for 2 Qs that other champs need for full combos because she will slow you everytime, go invis, gain ms, gain 100 energy for pressing a button, you can't hit her and she can Q you twice more. and thats without E. I'm posting facts, you're just talking.

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@Bringerx13 @RiotPhroxzon Is this your attempt at "pR0FessIóNAllY" measuring damage
So i was just 200% right about everything i said in my other reply
So 4x Q on Akali does more damage than 1x Q on other champs, with 4x longer timeframe🤦♀️
You can select for "Damage done" statistics btw way easier.

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@agoxol0 @RiotPhroxzon Post the statictics you were talking about then, I'll wait...
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@Bringerx13 @RiotPhroxzon No i NEVER talked about winrate🤦♀️
You literally INVENTED a CONVERSATION in your head and got MAD about it
You dont have any game design credentials besides your "emotions"
Instead of subjective opinions, i rely on pragmatic facts
You realise that damage done is a statisic right?
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