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Yall would cry, throw up, and pass out if u were ever invited into even the tamest queer spaces because what the fuck are u even talking abt

How the fuck do they keep failing

@simp_samurai @CrazyDegenerate And that's criticism of Viv as a person or her writing?

@Catsnotart @CrazyDegenerate Millie is repeatedly used to develop male characters without being given much if any of her own, even unhappy campers (which was supposed to be the millie episode) is just moxxie development in a different hat, she gets reduced to "the wife" or "female best friend" consistently

Name one popular queer woman who's an artist, and isn't considered "problematic"

@simp_samurai @CrazyDegenerate Who are the screenshots from then?

@Catsnotart @CrazyDegenerate Let me rephrase then, that's just the place the info is gathered, I don't give credence to specifically their analysis of it, but the screenshots themselves are not from them, they simply compiled them in one easily accessible place

@simp_samurai @CrazyDegenerate Elaborate

@Catsnotart @CrazyDegenerate okay, the treatment of women as characters in helluva boss in particular is atrocious, ESPECIALLY millie

@simp_samurai @CrazyDegenerate If there is valid criticism then make it

@Catsnotart @CrazyDegenerate And I'm not saying you can't enjoy hellaverse stuff or that you can't like the stuff Viv and crew make, but you can't act like part of the fandom doesn't downplay and brush shit off as people just wanting to hate Viv when it there ARE valid criticisms

@simp_samurai @CrazyDegenerate And then u used them as a source so U cite a source that isn't credible and expect ppl to trust it just because u warned them that the source isn't credible Like that doesn't change anything

@Catsnotart @CrazyDegenerate I just said I don't like using them as a source, but they did compile screenshots of yes chai but also several other spindlehorse workers

@simp_samurai @CrazyDegenerate Apology for what exactly? From the website of the national institutes of health btw:

@Catsnotart @CrazyDegenerate My mistake, I misread your follow up tweet and I'm not super into lackadaisy, thats my bad but my point still stands, not just with shit from Viv but also a certain storyboard artist being a Val and angel shipper w a rape fet, there wasnt an apology for that either

@simp_samurai @CrazyDegenerate What a credible source you've got there, really convincing

@Catsnotart @CrazyDegenerate But two, and i hate using @/vivziepopreceipts as a source because they're a hypocrite, they have a whole doc posted of screenshots of Viv making sketchy comments abt "why can't you just be proud to be a woman", trender shit, etc. And ppl say it's been debunked

@simp_samurai @CrazyDegenerate They never apologized tho They made a statement saying that Ze isn't transphobic and that we can leave the fandom if we're uncomfortable

@Catsnotart @CrazyDegenerate Okay well one, saying she apologized years ago for the blaire white thing while also criticizing the lackadaisy teams for apologizing after the fundraiser is certainly a choice, I get the monetary aspect makes a difference, but still very similar situations

@CrazyDegenerate A trans man defending transmisogyny? Plus what a "my friend is black and he doesn't mind" kind of argument Also im not claiming i know Ze or even that she's transphobic I just think than when u so something transphobic u should apologize instead of blaming the entire world around

@simp_samurai @CrazyDegenerate For the fanart, she apologized years ago, which is all id ever ask from anyone, after they fucked up, really Id love to hear what u think she said abt trans men tho

@Catsnotart @CrazyDegenerate okay now you're either playing dumb or you just don't engage with the fandom at all, there's a not insignificant part of the fanbase that brushes off a lot of the shit Viv has said (specifically surrounding trans men) and done (drawing fanart for blaire white) as just edgy

@simp_samurai @CrazyDegenerate Id love for u to elaborate what u mean exactly with "downplaying situations where showrunners did/said some sketchy shit"

@Catsnotart @CrazyDegenerate I mean if we wanna get into fans downplaying situations where showrunners did/said some sketchy shit, I think the hellaverse fandom is kind of a case study here, and with lackadaisy esp ppl are gonna take it as being bitter over the fundraiser drama not having real criticism

@SKZkurisuu_8 @CrazyDegenerate No, defending them and excusing the transphobia does

@Catsnotart @CrazyDegenerate just a question, associating with transphobes make you a transphobe? cuz as a trans person i sure associate with a lot of them cuz when i go outside they're everywhere every cis person close to me is transphobic in one way or another does this mean i support transphobia?

@simp_samurai @CrazyDegenerate What is that even suppose to mean

@Catsnotart @CrazyDegenerate my brother in christ you have a stolas pfp I do not think you're in a position to be the one arguing this case

@panque088 @GlitterBombKiki @CrazyDegenerate Is that a bad poem or is that supposed to mean something?

@Catsnotart @GlitterBombKiki @CrazyDegenerate Helluva Boss fan you had to be, turn off your phone and look for a real problem

@GlitterBombKiki @CrazyDegenerate Nah we are talking abt the Lackadaisy pilot They said "half a decade before the pilot came out" Which is 2023(ld pilot coming out) minus abt 5 years which makes it 8

@Catsnotart @CrazyDegenerate Oh, dog, we're talking about people remembering stuff from before the Hazbin pilot in 2019? Yeah nobody cares to retain that who isn't deep in the trenches. I thought we were talking about the Lackadaisy pilot, since that's, y'know, within... half a decade ago. lmao

@GlitterBombKiki @CrazyDegenerate Op cared enough to retain a version of events that suited them and cared enough to make a post abt it, but didn't care enough to be accurate, bc its actually "nothing"? Right

@GlitterBombKiki @CrazyDegenerate I mean if u r trying to convince ppl something is "not that bad" then changing the facts to minimize what actually happened, it feels intentional