@vincentologist @proteusjumpship And at any rate, you clearly know more about this genre than I do. Think it shows I have a lot more to learn, rather than arguing about something I don't really understand. Have a good one.
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Crux
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@vincentologist @proteusjumpship I don't really play extraction shooters that much. It's not usually a genre that grabs me.
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The brutality of the genre is part of the art direction, though. Tau Ceti IV very clearly does not want you here, and every advancement you make has to be fought or scavenged for.
Adding a PvE mode thats more palatable for the masses directly detracts from that art direction.
ʜᴏʟʟᴏᴡᴛɪᴅᴇ@Hollowtide
I love what marathon is. I know this is what the devs vision for the game was and I haven’t been so addicted to a game like this in forever. And I would love for it to just add on to that experience. That being said, I am all for them adding a pve mode or something that would get more ppl into the game. I don’t know if Sony is gonna allow them to retain employees or give them the bankroll to allow them to add to their original vision for the game with a lower than expected player count and revenue. If the pve mode is a way to get people through the door and get them hooked on the game and the universe, and then that funnels into the main mode and ends up helping the studio and the game, why wouldn’t I support that. I’ve seen tweets about how people want the game to stay niche and all that, and I understand but ultimately I want the game to get more than six months of love before Sony decides to pull the plug and we get a skeleton crew or worse. I experienced that with Halo infinite and it’s very depressing. I think outright dismissing both sides of the convo is silly and shortsighted and both sides have pros and cons. Just thoughts.
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@vincentologist @proteusjumpship I don't think they're shit?
I just think that Marathon's PvPvE loop is interesting at its core and I like the tension it brings.
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@Cerus_R @proteusjumpship I like PvP sometimes, I just think this argument is bad, people are trying to prove too much and inadvertently arguing that a whole class of amazing games are actually shit cause they've not crammed PvP into every mode for challenge
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@_Tyto_Alba I thought you would've mained Vandal with the art you've done of her!
I'm mostly sticking to Destroyer-gotta learn the basics and he's got a lot of depth for a tank.
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I switched to Vandal last night after basically maining Recon since launch.
I felt like Rock Lee removing his leg weights.
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@vincentologist @proteusjumpship Sir, I don't play EFT and didn't even know they allowed mods.
"Incredible." Fuck yeah it is, but it's rude for you to assume that someone know about it.
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@Cerus_R @proteusjumpship The answer to your questions are yes, and infamously the SAIN mod for SPT goes even further (guy that made it is now on the Incursion project)
It's incredible, it's almost like you can code that kind of thing
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@vincentologist @proteusjumpship If you just don't like PVP, that's fine. I'm not going to be able to convince you otherwise if that's your angle.
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@Cerus_R @proteusjumpship I think emergent tech that's used in less than a percent of all engagements is a really goofy reason to defend this honestly
"Well fuck if we don't have PvP how are you supposed to get killed by a niche exploit once every two weeks"
Yeah that's why Halo NEEDS PvP to be cool, ok
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@vincentologist @proteusjumpship Apparently people just discovered you can load up Triage's drone with C4 just like Thief's. AI isn't going to come up with experimental behaviors like this-they can find novel pathing and perhaps pursuance, but nothing which makes you feel *unsafe.*
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@vincentologist @proteusjumpship Halo enemies are programmed that way. They have a set of macro behaviors which govern their squad tactics. A coordinated group of players will outfight a squad of NPCs and come up with novel way to kill you with equipment that normally doesn't function like that-
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@vincentologist @proteusjumpship Do they converge for specific loot, or are they programmed on a particular path or region? Do they engage in firefights with each other, and don't immediately prioritize the player?
Players loot specific items, congregate around specific areas, and do so due to objective goals.
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@Cerus_R @proteusjumpship Bots in Tarkov loot
In any case, I don't think the fact that players loot is key to my experience. That's their incentive to behave in the way that is key to it, but with a bot you can program them that way. This is an AI problem, not an inherent limitation of the format.
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@vincentologist @proteusjumpship But they don't act like players. They'd just be free-roaming bots. There'd be little point in them looting anything, and it'd be like the bot matches in Apex Legends: they don't give you a sense of how to fight with players who can stalk you. Game already has UESC bosses.
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@Cerus_R @proteusjumpship I am explicitly saying that you could have bot runners or other such threats, like Tarkov has bot PMCs and bosses like Partisan and the Goons. I agree that the game needs to be hard. I completely disagree that no game has ever been hard without PvP
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@vincentologist @proteusjumpship Who's coming for your loot?
Who might be stalking you in the shadows of the Relays?
The only risk from UESC is if you're a solo and you underestimate them. That's it. In a PVE only mode, there are no stakes.
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@proteusjumpship Why would a PvE mode necessitate the removal of Runners and challenge? Tarkov doesn't remove PMCs, it makes them bots. They're not utterly trivial threats too, their range is better than most players and their aim ramps up the more they have line of sight.
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Sketch VS Final.
btw... we teach this kind os stuff at our school.
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@lkj0987654321 Isn't that how most modern gaming brains think at this point
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it's kind of funny seeing Marathon players act like the devs are are expecting them to speedrun the final boss in 2 weeks considering the game's title is shorthand for feats of endurance at a measured and sustainable pace
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@Pitioti @kuso_otoko They were never deployed to areas with dense AA fire and still suffered losses in "killboxes" where they could fly freely while all other attack aircraft flew more sorties.
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@kuso_otoko Isn't the A-10s the planes that had the less cassualty of the Gulf war and Irak war ? I thought I read something about the fact these antiquities, despite their limited speed and obsolessence, are quite sturdy and surprisingly still effective and relevant.
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what if it's not ragebait? what if this guy is just really stupid
Furkan Gözükara@FurkanGozukara
Absolute desperation. The US is deploying slow, unstealthy Cold War-era A-10s to the Strait of Hormuz to fight fast attack boats. These planes are sitting ducks for Iran's advanced air defenses. The Pentagon is sending pilots on a suicide mission.
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@Cerus_R I had to take a fiver out of my wallet to explain the cultural magnitude of Canadarm
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when I went to Seattle I found out Americans don't even know about Canadarm. The Canadian space investment has been a dismal failure. Soft power gain has been nil
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@FartCollector @FemboyDCS @Femgirl_Fishing @bottleneckloser It's just an organ. Do you get weird when women go into the men's rooms? What about transmascs who still have vaginas?
The problem isn't the equipment. It's the person it's attached to, and you are tacitly admitting that *anyone* with a dick is a problem. Including men.
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@FemboyDCS @Femgirl_Fishing @bottleneckloser You’re conveniently ignoring the letting people with dicks into women’s restrooms and dressing rooms thing that’s weird!
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I can assure you, that is not how people felt about gay people for a very long time
The Rabbit Hole@TheRabbitHole
People just wanna chill
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This prolly makes me a tourist, but the original Patlabor series didn't really click for me compared to the Mamoru Oshii movies. Maybe that's just me being a normie, or maybe I just hate fun and need my dour, moody stuff, iunno.
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@MrGask @MichalKus3 The maintenance crew forgot to rig it, it'll be fine! The landing ship has spares.
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@MichalKus3 Pretty cool. This is Illustrator?
The missing tow linkage on the left front is sending me though.
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Here is an in class Demo which I started for our students during my ''Advanced Hardware Design'' Class at Focal Point School. I cannot wait to start again with our Spring Term on the Third of April. 😎
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