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men are not “afraid of commitment” and many other departures from our normative beliefs

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Justin Addeo
Justin Addeo@AddeoJustin·
@ChallengCliches @taylorburrowes Your fragile male ego needs constant emotional safety- like being told how capable and masculine and attractive you are- for your dick not to shrivel up into your abdomen so I’d back up on what you call bullshit.
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Dr. Taylor Burrowes
Dr. Taylor Burrowes@taylorburrowes·
Men often underestimate the complexity of female psychology. She can want to be wanted, taken, even objectified and still reject being sexualized without emotional safety. If that confuses you, you’re reading her too literally. A woman can crave desire from the man she’s attracted to and still need to feel safe, respected and emotionally held. These aren’t contradictions. They’re context dependent responses. If you don’t understand that, you’ll keep making a Type II error (missing what’s actually there) and not even know it. This is where a lot of high performing men get it wrong. They read her response at face value, instead of understanding the context driving it. Desire without safety repels her. Safety without desire bores her. And you need both—calibrated. That’s a skill you can develop.
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OzzyMag@OzzyMag·
@taylorburrowes @ChallengCliches Many women switch like a light, either after wedding, 2nd kid or when kids entering high school age There’s a saying “the woman who divorces you isn’t the same one you married” for a reason
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Gabriel Hudelson
Gabriel Hudelson@GabrielHudelson·
TO CHRISTIAN BIKINI-DEFENDERS Since we are on the topic of modest swimwear, and since people are already yelling at me for saying that Christian shouldn’t be wearing bikinis, I thought it would be helpful to post a few excerpts from the history of the bikini. My brothers and sisters in Christ, this is what you are defending. Does it square with a Christian view of the world? - The following are paragraphs taken from Wikipedia: - The modern bikini swimsuit was introduced by French clothing designer Louis Réard in July 1946, and was named after the Bikini Atoll, where the first public test of a nuclear bomb had taken place four days before. When he was unable to find a fashion model willing to showcase his revealing design, Réard hired Micheline Bernardini, an 18-year old nude dancer from the Casino de Paris. He announced that his swimsuit, was "smaller than the world's smallest bathing suit". Réard said that "like the [atom] bomb, the bikini is small and devastating". Fashion writer Diana Vreeland described the bikini as the "atom bomb of fashion". Bernardini received 50,000 fan letters, many of them from men. As competing designs emerged, he declared in advertisements that a swimsuit could not be a genuine bikini "unless it could be pulled through a wedding ring." “As subsequent history would show, the bikini was more than a skimpy garment. It was a state of mind.” — Lena Lenček Réard himself would later describe it as a "two-piece bathing suit which reveals everything about a girl except for her mother's maiden name." Fashion magazine Modern Girl Magazine in 1957 stated that "it is hardly necessary to waste words over the so-called bikini since it is inconceivable that any girl with tact and decency would ever wear such a thing". Playboy first featured a bikini on its cover in 1962; the Sports Illustrated Swimsuit Issue debut two years later featured Babette March in a white bikini on the cover. This has been credited with making the bikini a legitimate piece of clothing. - END Wikipedia quotes. - This is what many modern Christians are defending. What many modern Christian women are wearing. What many modern Christian men are allowing their wives and daughters to wear. Meanwhile, the Bible says: “Likewise, I want women to adorn themselves with proper clothing, modestly and discreetly, not with braided hair and gold or pearls or costly garments, but rather by means of good works, as is proper for women making a claim to godliness.” - 1 Tim. 2:9-10 It is chilling how easily the devil can get Christians to do his work.
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Emily 🦋
Emily 🦋@EmilySm43·
Where can I find them??
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Challenging Cliches@ChallengCliches·
@taylorburrowes Pray tell, how exactly do you vet for… “Will keep having hot, steamy, crazy sex with me like she did in the beginning when she was trying to extract commitment from me (and I am continuing to show up as the same consistent, good man I have been since day one)?
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Dear Son.
Dear Son.@DearS_o_n·
If you’re a man, what’s the excuse for not looking like this ???
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Challenging Cliches@ChallengCliches·
@taylorburrowes Weird how the experience I just described is near ubiquitous in marriage and LTRs though Vet harder is not a viable strategy
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Challenging Cliches@ChallengCliches·
@SimoneHCollins The overwhelming majority of men sign up for marriage because it promises regular access do enthusiastic sex. Since it no longer can deliver that, men are opting out. Go sell your family formation and depth to deeply religious catholics.
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Simone & Malcolm Collins
Simone & Malcolm Collins@SimoneHCollins·
The discourse this sparked is insane. YOU TARDS. Marriage is NOT a long-term sex provision contract. Marriage is about combining your life and identity with another person to build something bigger than the both of you (your family, your kids, your combined work, whatever).
Marge@maggistratus

Before you marry a man you should consider asking him if he would be able to handle at least 2 months without sex. His reaction is how it will be if you bear him children.

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Challenging Cliches@ChallengCliches·
@RealDianeYap Nagging originates mostly from moralising preferences When your pet peeves become my “rules.”
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Giff Lasta
Giff Lasta@GiffLasta·
@RealDianeYap Perfect example: great observation of the problem, terrible solution that has a proven track record of not working for men.
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Diane Yap
Diane Yap@RealDianeYap·
If men want women to stop "nagging" them, there's an extremely simple solution: think of all the things she's ever nagged you about, and keep on top of all of them. Do them before she asks. She doesn't want to ask, she just wants those tasks done!
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Rollo Tomassi
Rollo Tomassi@RationalMale·
When did women start telling men why men need sex?
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Challenging Cliches@ChallengCliches·
@GiffLasta Ok so just start doing stuff the way you see fit. No input from her. Lead like a patriarch! Watch what happens If she doesn’t already see you as a kick-ass (and sexy) leader who she goes cross eyed with desire at the sound of your voice have fun in court
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Giff Lasta
Giff Lasta@GiffLasta·
Don’t argue with the ladies about “mental load.” Instead, see the opportunity.
Giff Lasta@GiffLasta

The Mental Load of Masculine Leadership Earlier today, I saw a benign thread on being a good husband from Tyler Todt (@tyromper). Somewhere in the middle he offered the wives a tip: men can’t read minds, so make a list of stuff he can take off your plate. The internet exploded. The post has 16 million rage views already. Women were pissed! “Why should we have to make a list? Just notice what needs to be done, you worthless man-child!” One of the guys joked that Tyler’s sacrifice isn’t in vain: now he knows to never get his wife to make a list of things to help her. But here’s the thing: the women are right. And in a weird way, they’re calling for the patriarchy. Hear me out. My wife says her Instagram feed is full of women complaining about “mental load.” She gets tired of it, “why should I want to read about ‘‘how to teach your kids about mental load’ - as if I want to add to their stress?” Still, the idea makes sense: management is the hardest thing about running a household. You gotta plan ahead, look at the big picture, notice what’s wrong, make priorities, get buy-in, and delegate tasks. If all he’s doing is grunt work, then she’s left with the stress of always being in charge. When wives talk about “mental load,” they’re talking about “leadership.” One time, back when I first started getting my act together around family leadership, I was driving home the night before a trip. I remember thinking, “I need to call my wife and ask if I should fill the van up now, or tomorrow on the way out.” And it finally clicked: “why do I need to bother her with this? I can just decide and do it!” After that, I saw it everywhere. There were tons of ways I was expecting her to make the call on things I could easily handle. When I started taking initiative, she got more relaxed, she started to trust me, and sex got more frequent and way better. It wasn’t just that she had less stress. Rather, relaxing into me outside of the bedroom made it feel natural to do it inside the bedroom. A lot of egalitarian types will say, “we don’t want leadership, we only want an equal partner.” But I’m not sure. If it’s just a colleague not pulling his full weight, why the rage? It seems deeper. There’s an air of betrayal, of “how dare you!” It’s not just that this guy should be generally competent, it’s that “I’m stuck mothering the man who should take care of me!” What about the guys who say, “I work all day and she stays home - why should I do her job too?” But masculine leadership isn’t about “his job, her job.” A captain of a ship is responsible for everything. He doesn’t pull the ropes himself, but he knows how, and in an emergency he’d jump right in. If you’re the sole breadwinner, it makes sense that you delegate a lot of household leadership to her. But that means you notice it, appreciate it, and jump in when it’s obvious that she’s overloaded. Be the man of the house. Take on the mental load. And when you embrace the suck, you’ll find the yoke is easy, and the burden is light.

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Challenging Cliches@ChallengCliches·
I would also be content that there would be zero women in that church. But at least my collective spiritual needs would be met.
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Challenging Cliches@ChallengCliches·
@GiffLasta if Pat Stedman really means this and could support men in this situation in a meaningful way, I would literally go back to church tomorrow.
Pat Stedman | Dating & Relationship Coach for Men@Pat_Stedman

I've had far too many intake calls with guys in this dead bedroom situation. Some won't leave just because they are not ready to deal with the loss of kids, status, and assets. This hesitation is usually just a time and "processing" issue. Even if they are not ready now, they will be. Many come back within months with conviction to finally pull the trigger. Others, however, will not leave regardless of how badly they are treated because it's against their faith. I've had guys in dead bedrooms for over a decade who refuse this option because it's ostensibly unbiblical for them to leave. This drives me crazy not only because it is slave morality masquerading as virtue, but because it isn't even biblical. She's in breach of the marital contract - it is a dissolution of the "one flesh" union, and is akin to abandonment. The premise of a wife depriving her husband of sex during biblical times for months let alone years when she was healthy and fertile would be preposterous. The Church would have intervened on behalf of the husband and if the wife continued to refuse they would have granted the divorce. Even if these guys don't want to pull the legal trigger, they can still separate. Their willingness to endlessly tolerate bad faith behavior and work harder and harder to "serve" her tells you a lot about why their wives are refusing to have sex with them to begin with. Bottom line is if you are too weak of a Christian to stand up against a manipulative woman you are useless against the devil. Spare me the moral lectures when you are enabling what is essentially evil.

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Challenging Cliches@ChallengCliches·
@Pat_Stedman If you mean everything you have written here, and there was a way to receive real support from a church that practices this with NO white knighting as soon the wife starts the tears, I would literally be a faithful observant Christian again. That’s how much this matters.
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Pat Stedman | Dating & Relationship Coach for Men
I've had far too many intake calls with guys in this dead bedroom situation. Some won't leave just because they are not ready to deal with the loss of kids, status, and assets. This hesitation is usually just a time and "processing" issue. Even if they are not ready now, they will be. Many come back within months with conviction to finally pull the trigger. Others, however, will not leave regardless of how badly they are treated because it's against their faith. I've had guys in dead bedrooms for over a decade who refuse this option because it's ostensibly unbiblical for them to leave. This drives me crazy not only because it is slave morality masquerading as virtue, but because it isn't even biblical. She's in breach of the marital contract - it is a dissolution of the "one flesh" union, and is akin to abandonment. The premise of a wife depriving her husband of sex during biblical times for months let alone years when she was healthy and fertile would be preposterous. The Church would have intervened on behalf of the husband and if the wife continued to refuse they would have granted the divorce. Even if these guys don't want to pull the legal trigger, they can still separate. Their willingness to endlessly tolerate bad faith behavior and work harder and harder to "serve" her tells you a lot about why their wives are refusing to have sex with them to begin with. Bottom line is if you are too weak of a Christian to stand up against a manipulative woman you are useless against the devil. Spare me the moral lectures when you are enabling what is essentially evil.
Monica Almaguer@MonicaMAlmaguer

Men: My wife won't sleep with me. Can it be fixed? Me: Are you willing to leave her? Men: No. Me: No. It can't be fixed. You have zero leverage.

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I'm me. Is that you?
I'm me. Is that you?@AposematicHate·
@ChallengCliches @wil_da_beast630 Have they looked into medical causes? The doctor is the first place a man will go when trying to handle impotence but it seems no one cares to do that for women. We are expected to just lay there and be a miserable flesh light.
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Wilfred Reilly
Wilfred Reilly@wil_da_beast630·
Serious question for my female friends: Why do you think men get married? I ~know, from the data, but I'm curious how much female takes gel with what the men say.
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