Chason

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Chason

Chason

@Chason93

Katılım Ekim 2025
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Chason@Chason93·
@royalwinsmid Do you think this roster Zeus, Canyon, Zeka, Faker, Gumayusi, Keria was selected the way you're describing? Stats are secondary. At the end of the day, it comes down to the selection committee's judgment.
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Royal - Wild Rift@royalwinsmid·
The criteria for the player selection is absolutely awful. Imagine if World Cup players were selected based off “passes completed” or “successful dribbles”. This is embarrassing for the greatest esports Nation and I hope they improve their process in the future.
Gen.G Arnold@arnoldwh

I want to say something about Kiin, because I want to be direct with our fanbase about how I feel. They published the selection criteria. Read them for yourself, because they matter. After the achievement-based shortlist, the final roster came down to what they themselves called "detailed individual metrics." If you understand the game, look at that list and ask one question: what does a top laner do to make most of those numbers go up? He gets the favorable matchup. He gets the comfort pick. He gets resources funneled into his lane. Solo kills, DPM, DPG, gold diff at 14, CS diff at 14, every one of those climbs when the draft is built around you, and sinks when you give the lane up so a teammate can have theirs. Now ask what Kiin does. Kiin is the top laner who says "draft around everyone else and give me the leftover pick, I'll make it work." He takes the counterpick so a teammate gets comfort. He eats the hard matchup so the map opens elsewhere. Every one of those choices is a teammate's DPM going up instead of his. He trades his stat line for his team's win condition, every single game. There's no column on that list for that. The closest it comes to team value, gold share, damage share, still rewards the player who gets the resources, not the one who gives them up. And champion pool size is right there on the list: a metric that should favor exactly the kind of flexible player Kiin is. He plays one of the widest, most selfless pools in the role and still didn't make it. And before anyone runs with this: this is not about Zeus. Zeus is world-class and earned his spot. The players aren't the problem. The measuring stick is. We need to more rigorously test the statistics we cite, especially when it becomes a measuring stick that can impact decisions like these. If your criteria are built mostly from individual mechanical stats without proper statistical context, you haven't found the best players, you've found the players whose teams were built to make them look best. Kiin plays the game the right way. If these metrics say otherwise, the metrics are the problem, not Kiin, and not the players who were picked. To Kiin's fans: you already know this. You watched him do it. Please show him more support than ever.

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Chason@Chason93·
@DOFOREVERGK @arnoldwh @JoeMar I don't want @JoeMar to go public with this either. KeSPA has a formal appeal period that process should come before stirring up a public debate.
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Gen.G Arnold@arnoldwh·
Oh and not counting MSI? I don’t even know how to address that since I can’t even understand the base logic of it…
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Chason@Chason93·
@razlol Stats aren't everything. But at the top of LCK, the gap in "invisible plays" between Kiin and Zeus is marginal both can execute any role. That's exactly what makes player selection so difficult.
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Barento@razlol·
This 100%, personally Idgaf about the tournament but stats in league is fake as fuck and is always context based. If you're wielding stats as a way to showcase how good/bad a player is without watching the game, providing specific examples and knowing what their role in the game is you will almost always come out with the wrong conclusion.
Gen.G Arnold@arnoldwh

I want to say something about Kiin, because I want to be direct with our fanbase about how I feel. They published the selection criteria. Read them for yourself, because they matter. After the achievement-based shortlist, the final roster came down to what they themselves called "detailed individual metrics." If you understand the game, look at that list and ask one question: what does a top laner do to make most of those numbers go up? He gets the favorable matchup. He gets the comfort pick. He gets resources funneled into his lane. Solo kills, DPM, DPG, gold diff at 14, CS diff at 14, every one of those climbs when the draft is built around you, and sinks when you give the lane up so a teammate can have theirs. Now ask what Kiin does. Kiin is the top laner who says "draft around everyone else and give me the leftover pick, I'll make it work." He takes the counterpick so a teammate gets comfort. He eats the hard matchup so the map opens elsewhere. Every one of those choices is a teammate's DPM going up instead of his. He trades his stat line for his team's win condition, every single game. There's no column on that list for that. The closest it comes to team value, gold share, damage share, still rewards the player who gets the resources, not the one who gives them up. And champion pool size is right there on the list: a metric that should favor exactly the kind of flexible player Kiin is. He plays one of the widest, most selfless pools in the role and still didn't make it. And before anyone runs with this: this is not about Zeus. Zeus is world-class and earned his spot. The players aren't the problem. The measuring stick is. We need to more rigorously test the statistics we cite, especially when it becomes a measuring stick that can impact decisions like these. If your criteria are built mostly from individual mechanical stats without proper statistical context, you haven't found the best players, you've found the players whose teams were built to make them look best. Kiin plays the game the right way. If these metrics say otherwise, the metrics are the problem, not Kiin, and not the players who were picked. To Kiin's fans: you already know this. You watched him do it. Please show him more support than ever.

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Chason@Chason93·
@perfectchovy @arnoldwh Never said he didn't have the right to post. The point is consistency. And if you actually watch the game, the most controversial pick wasn't top it was jungle. All Arnold did was open the door for people to publicly question Canyon's selection too.
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🐱@perfectchovy·
@Chason93 @arnoldwh ok thanks for your input! arnold still the right to post what he did btw!
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Gen.G Arnold@arnoldwh·
I want to say something about Kiin, because I want to be direct with our fanbase about how I feel. They published the selection criteria. Read them for yourself, because they matter. After the achievement-based shortlist, the final roster came down to what they themselves called "detailed individual metrics." If you understand the game, look at that list and ask one question: what does a top laner do to make most of those numbers go up? He gets the favorable matchup. He gets the comfort pick. He gets resources funneled into his lane. Solo kills, DPM, DPG, gold diff at 14, CS diff at 14, every one of those climbs when the draft is built around you, and sinks when you give the lane up so a teammate can have theirs. Now ask what Kiin does. Kiin is the top laner who says "draft around everyone else and give me the leftover pick, I'll make it work." He takes the counterpick so a teammate gets comfort. He eats the hard matchup so the map opens elsewhere. Every one of those choices is a teammate's DPM going up instead of his. He trades his stat line for his team's win condition, every single game. There's no column on that list for that. The closest it comes to team value, gold share, damage share, still rewards the player who gets the resources, not the one who gives them up. And champion pool size is right there on the list: a metric that should favor exactly the kind of flexible player Kiin is. He plays one of the widest, most selfless pools in the role and still didn't make it. And before anyone runs with this: this is not about Zeus. Zeus is world-class and earned his spot. The players aren't the problem. The measuring stick is. We need to more rigorously test the statistics we cite, especially when it becomes a measuring stick that can impact decisions like these. If your criteria are built mostly from individual mechanical stats without proper statistical context, you haven't found the best players, you've found the players whose teams were built to make them look best. Kiin plays the game the right way. If these metrics say otherwise, the metrics are the problem, not Kiin, and not the players who were picked. To Kiin's fans: you already know this. You watched him do it. Please show him more support than ever.
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Chason@Chason93·
@perfectchovy @arnoldwh Already did, multiple times. At this point it's not a logic problem, it's a comprehension problem and that's not something I can fix for you.
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🐱@perfectchovy·
@Chason93 @arnoldwh then point out the logical inconsistency, no one is stopping you 😂😂😂
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Chason@Chason93·
@perfectchovy @arnoldwh Pointing out a logical inconsistency isn't "fighting for Oner." If you can't address the argument, just say so
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🐱@perfectchovy·
@Chason93 @arnoldwh and it's not his fucking job to fight for oner. go send trucks to your own org
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Chason@Chason93·
@perfectchovy @arnoldwh His own logic completely backfires when you apply it to Canyon. Arnold writing that post in the first place is disrespectful to Zeus. Just say you're upset Kiin missed out on a military exemption and move on.
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🐱@perfectchovy·
@Chason93 @arnoldwh yeah, so argue your point? why are you telling him to shut up
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Chason@Chason93·
@perfectchovy @arnoldwh You wrote a whole post dragging Zeus into this, but now it's "geng fans only"? You opened the door, don't cry when someone walks in.
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eSports Omnipresence@vasco2lixo·
@arnoldwh zeus is nothing without faker, hasn't been better than kiin since he left him. it was joke that he was picked, but i guess they wanted t1 + canyon kiin kanavi chovy bdd ruler keria was the real roster
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Chason@Chason93·
@Rania_22100 Deer + sheep = 20 Deer - sheep = 10 Deer + Deer + sheep - sheep = 30 Deer +Deer = 30 Deer = 15 Sheep = 5 15² × 5 = ? 30 x 5 = ?
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Elon Musk@elonmusk·
Let’s see if @Grok 5 can beat the best human team @LeagueOfLegends in 2026 with these important constraints: 1. Can only look at the monitor with a camera, seeing no more than what a person with 20/20 vision would see. 2. Reaction latency and click rate no faster than human. Join @xAI if you are interested in solving this element of AGI. Note, Grok 5 is designed to be able to play any game just by reading the instructions and experimenting.
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