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@Zirene can you check the proc on this? Feels almost impossible to get stacks let alone max it out with 2h. Even as DW it feels bugged and not 10% unless it doesn't proc of specials?

@Zirene Coming back to Carve now that we are into SE, the lack of multitarget dmg is insane. Others do more single target, passive AOE, interrupt and more. Can we at least get Carve to get dmg bonus from raptor fury then if we have to choose between Carve and MB? Raptor cleave???

@Zirene any chance there are some druid tank buffs in the works after the discord visit? Feels really bad to MT Caldoran since our 2p does nothing that fight and AOE threat on adds feels bad too as OT

@Zirene @MeleeSurvival A follow up on this now that we know how CA should work. Compared warrior to pally to hunter on 5 target cleave....lol. It's a DPS loss to use carve or tnt even with CA funny enough.

@Zirene @MeleeSurvival LW breakdown for you (much worse with Pet): DW LW BiS mongoose - 12.0k carve v. 3 targets - 9.4k carve v. 4 targets - 9.9k 2H LW BiS mongoose - 12.4k carve v. 3 targets - 11.3k carve v. 4 targets - 12.3k <--ashbringer carries It's still better to just MB 1 target than cleave

@Zirene awesome change here....but still can't use it when Mongoose Bite is so important for DPS. We really need Carve to be a book like 3 phases ago.

@Zirene hey Zirene! Any chance you could stop by the Druid Tank Discord channel sometime? Cosy made an awesome post about some concerns! discord.com/channels/25320…

@Zirene So we are a few weeks in and feral tank is feeling really bad. It's the one tank that got no changes all PTR while others got a big list of changes and even buffs after patch. Any chance you can revisit tank druid? Severe threat issues in AOE and even single Target threat

@Zirene At the end of the day, the reason we are struggling compared to past phases is our single target dmg not being at the top, aka the whole point of brining a melee hunter. We don't NEED cleave or AoE if we are kings of single target still, but even with CA we are severely lacking

@ChrisBarry82839 Apologies, Barry, but that is not something we can do.

@Zirene My only other thought would be adding some sort of cleave to raptor strike on our tier this phase. That could be big since 2-3 target fights and cleaving adds is so important.

@Zirene What about removing the CD from Carve?

@MP6820272093379 @Zirene Baseline carve at this point is my dream even if it gets no more buffs! Honestly removing the CD from Carve would help too.

@Zirene @ChrisBarry82839 Possible directions for more AOE (still no gap closer/interrupt, utility) - carve baseline (would still make the "buff" useless). might even need a %-based interaction with raptor fury stacks - rapid fire makes mongoose or raptor strike cleave (%-based, not 100% obviously)

@Zirene @MeleeSurvival As always we appreciate the openness. It just sucks being one of the least useful specs of the phase with very little utility. Having no cleave or AoE really hurts in this raid and no reason to take a melee over a ranged now. Side note: Can you confirm Mortal Shots buffs it?

I can not give you a direct answer here because "proves to be [an] insufficient option" is subjective based on what one considers to be sufficient. So I can't say yes to a condition that is subjective because our thresholds for sufficient may be different, may extend past Carve, and may differ in expectation of execution.

@Zirene I know you probably hate this but, any chance we see melee hunter changes? DW screwed when target swapping, 2h requiring a legendary just to do middle of the road dmg, and that's all to do mediocre single target damage with no utility since ranged brings CoR now. Zero AoE.

This effect stacks to 3 and should be 25% of your attack power every time you crit. It's essentially pseudo-block for Druids but giving you a block chance equal to your crit chance and swing timer, and a block value equal to 25% of your attack power. You can stack it up if attacks don't land, and so it ends up being rather good. It also gives better with the other bonuses like increased attack speed because you increase the number of crits you'll get, as you're attacking faster.

@Zirene so it looks like the 2p tank druid bonus indeed stacks 0 times, and the current shield is overwritten if the AP value is higher than previous shield. Any chance this can be raised to like 2-3x stack? Ends up being like a 1-2% EHPS equivalent in its current form.

@Zirene 1000% thank you, not stacking felt weird. I guess we just need to see if things like swipe can get you an instant 3 stack. I imagine it can for trash pulls?

@Zirene Awesome, thanks for the info! It feels really lacking right now sadly but maybe that's just because we are coming from perma frenzied Regen doing 10% healing per second, and this does 1%

@ChrisBarry82839 I checked this yesterday randomly and the spell was marked as Internal, should work later today when it gets unmarked. Going to spend some time adding Rage generation through the shield to it

@Destiny14011 @Zirene Beyond that, I still don't know why they can't implement a BOOK: Carving Strike, to give us AOE. Make it .modified by raptor fury as well as all "striking damage" bonuses from sets. The fact we have to pick a super weak aoe or our biggest single target skill is crazy.

@Destiny14011 @Zirene This perfectly sums up the issues with hunter. No AOE mediocre single target no utility. If we arent the best at single target, no reason to bring a melee hunter. Appreciate the balancing these past couple phases but nerfing us after the sim bug was inflating our damage is crazy

@Zirene First, I want to say to you and the team, I really appreciate your work on SOD, especially for designing new content. However, there are a few things regarding melee hunters that I'd like to address in the comments:

@Ghardyne @Zirene @just_kni Don't forget we also lose 700 more DPS if the enemy in this raid isn't human/giant/beast/dragon

@ChrisBarry82839 @Zirene @just_kni No cleave, shit rotation with an almost 2 sec cap of pressing nothing cause thats more dps because they did the opposite of what we asked for t3 multi shot cd reduction, nerfed LW because of a bug in the sim and didn't revert the nerf, actually considering quitting sod

@Zirene Infusion of Souls seems pretty underwhelming for any caster that is not mage, since it requires you to have 50% haste to benefit from it. I was exited to use it on my spriest but its probably worthless right now.