Cleave to Christ

@BasedDavePA Choose wisely! By their own standards ... only one can be salvific!

I love both my Catholic and Orthodox brothers and sisters in Christ. Hence my name Church Respecter 🇻🇦 ☦️ I'm back at a crossroad between the two.

@Verita_dirigit1 But your AI helped you understand the truth that I originally presented ... yet you slander me. Repent and believe the Gospel.

@CleaveToChrist Also you can keep saying "your AI" I don't pay for X Grok is a great way to present long form answers that I already know without me having to type out a huge thread of replies.

1/21 A Roman Catholic apologist just spent 20 minutes surveying the early church on Mary's sinlessness. The RC apologist admits the evidence "suggests and implies" rather than establishes. The RC apologist admits that even unanimous patristic opinion would not constitute dogma. The RC apologist closes by saying the doctrine's authority rests entirely on Magisterial definition, not on anything the Fathers said. A 20-minute video about patristic evidence that ends by ... conceding patristic evidence. He did the work for us. Thread 🧵

@Verita_dirigit1 What on earth!

@CleaveToChrist Do you believe that babies are damned for having fallen short?

@Verita_dirigit1 You didn't read my thread then. I addressed BOTH because that's obvious. IC and sinlessness generally.

@CleaveToChrist Except that wasn't the point you began arguing. You were arguing against her being sinless. Catholics believe the mechanism that allows for that is the Immaculate Conception. The Eastern Orthodox believes she is sinless but do not hold to the IC. So you shifted points.

None. Not within classic, creedal Christianity (SDAs hold it, but that's a different conversation). Early figures like Justin and Irenaeus leaned conditionalist, but pre-creedal, inconsistent, and we have no idea how many in their orbit agreed. Doesn't really count. But revival history settles reception, not exegesis. The Scripture is still there. The logic still hasn't been answered ... just outvoted. Not sure where I'm casting mine yet. Still digging into all of it!

Question for theology nerds / pastors: Has there ever been a revival or major advance / growth of the church where annihilationism has been dominant? (I obv know vast supermajority have not. I’m asking if there’s ever been one)

@BreeSolstad I'm open to correction ... but where is the chapter and verse in Holy Scripture? Not to the words "Assumption of Mary" ... but to any concept of it.

It was Jesus who did all the work in the Assumption of Mary. Her Assumption glorified Him and His awesome divinity.

Thank you. But even your AI says "The thread successfully shows the Immaculate Conception as a later-defined dogma (not patristically 'proven')." That was the point. Trent Session 6 references Mary's sinlessness. It does not define it. Aquinas denied the Immaculate Conception after Trent's predecessors and remained a Doctor of the Church. Referencing a belief and binding all to it are different acts. The Eastern Orthodox hold personal sinlessness without 1854. Granted. They also confirm Mary shared in the fallen human condition. Romans 5:12 still applies. And the Magnificat follows Hannah's song ... not rescue from a general inherited condition but from a specific personal one. That is what "my Savior" means in that literary context. One question your AI could not answer. Romans 3:23. Paul had the word for "except." He did not use it. Show me the warrant from Scripture.

@CleaveToChrist Ahem... x.com/i/grok/share/6…

1/34 A Roman Catholic just claimed Lutherans contradict themselves on the Eucharist, but his own sources tell a different story. When your star witness admits to a lack of scriptural support and makes a case against their own argument ... ... well, he did the Lutheran work for us. This is a long documented case. Bookmark it. Thread. 🧵

@ChrisRojas4081 @sincead33 "Cuz they are already virtually in it" They aren't. The thread provides a step by step demonstration.

@CleaveToChrist @sincead33 Cuz they are already virtually in it

@sincead33 @ChrisRojas4081 What Twitter space? I don't have an invitation.

@ChrisRojas4081 @CleaveToChrist Probably not worth the time arguing via Twitter comments section on a Friday during Lent. I already invited Cleave to a Twitter space where things like these are better discussed

And FYI ... Christ is the only way, truth and light. It is very kind to correct brothers and sisters of dangerous doctrine. Especially doctrine that can mess with your salvation! How much would I have to truly hate you to NOT correct you if I thought it was important. The "you do you" is why we have a zillion strip mall non-churches where the Gospel is not rightly preached. Again, tell me where to open my Bible.

No you are not. I'm tired of this discussion because it does not lead anywhere. I can't imagine what YOU get out of this. I'm former Protestant, I've got a LOT to say about why I left, but I won't, because this is an unworthy discussion. You do you, and leave us alone. And if you can't see that knocking another faith isn't Christlike, I can't help you. Just drop it.

@Edgarson_777 Please explain where I'm wrong. I'm very open to correction. For example, I was recently corrected on the efficacy of baptism. Just point the way @Edgarson_777 ... tell me where to open my Bible

@ChrisRojas4081 @sincead33 Correct. Neither "say" it ... but both "do" it. My thread explains. Please explain how inventing new ideas out of thin air (zero concept in Scripture) is not "growing" the deposit

@CleaveToChrist @sincead33 The Church does not say the deposit grows. Nor Kevin

@Rblv73 Bad theology yields bad fruit. The "one true" Roman Catholic church needs to explain why it transfered a known evil priest to my high school who raped my friends. I understand all have sinned. But my point is about an institution that shuffled these creeps around.

Truth without an authority doesn’t die, it mutates. Protestantism and its unwanted offspring - leftism, both enthrone the same god: the self. Leftism: “I create truth.” Protestantism (in practice): “I decide what it means.” Different creeds. Same collapse.

@Edgarson_777 I'm not trying to bash Roman Catholics. I'm trying to correct brothers and sisters. I spent many years in Roman Catholic school and mass, etc... Please explain where I'm wrong. I'm very open to correction.

What I want to know is why people like you feel the need to continually bash Catholics on our beliefs. I can tell you from experience that before I became Catholic I knew everything about Catholic theology. Because Protestants I trusted told me. I have a masters degree from the largest Protestant seminary in the world that in part told me all about Catholic theology. Then I became a Catholic because I admire the respect that Catholics respect the Lord so much in worship, began asking questions, and found out what I should have known all along, you can't study a theology from the outside. You think you understand Catholic theology. You do not. Your frame of reference is off. You are not aware of your biases. You're not aware of why and how we've come to our conclusions. In other words, to your accusations I say "I reject your premise." So, why? Aside from a few disgruntled followers, and every faith has them, you will not convince anybody. Why do you feel the need to do this? Does it help your ego? Strengthen your faith somehow? The best you can do is pray for us, as we should for you. Pray that God will lead all of us to be our best selves IN HIM, FOR HIM, THROUGH HIM. But your arguments are doing your faith no good.

@ChrisRojas4081 @sincead33 Correct. The deposit does not grow. Anyone who grows it needs to repent and believe the Gospel.

@CleaveToChrist @sincead33 “The deposit of faith is growing” That’s an easy one right there. The deposit does not grow

25/25 I hope you've found this thread helpful. Follow me @CleaveToChrist for more. Like/Repost the quote below if you can:

24/25 Why does any of this matter? Because the Gospel is at stake. Every sin on the gradient, from the smallest stumble to the gravest rebellion, is an offense against an infinitely holy God. None of it can be managed or minimized. That is exactly why we need a Savior. Christ did not come to help us locate our sins on the correct side of a categorical boundary. Christ came to bear the full weight of the entire gradient on the cross. "He himself bore our sins in his body on the tree." (1 Peter 2:24) "There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus." (Romans 8:1) The good news is not that some of your sins are safe. The good news is that Christ is sufficient for all of them. Turn from your sin. Trust in Christ alone. Repent and believe the Gospel.

1/25 An apologist for the Roman Catholic position just argued Christians basically agree on sin gradation. He is mostly right about the foundation. But he placed the disagreement in the wrong location. The real fight is not "are some sins worse than others." It is about what mechanism Holy Scripture actually requires to explain why. And the mechanism you choose changes everything. It changes how you understand grace. It changes whether the Gospel is sufficient. It changes whether Christ's work on the cross covers all of your sin or only some of it. Read and find out why it matters. Bookmark it. Thread. youtube.com/watch?v=K_eYeS…