Connor

@yeancahcreme @A_I_Jeremiah @Yemihazan ... different aspects of the universe just like there are so many humans in charge of the different sectors of a building, a car, a bridge?

@yeancahcreme @A_I_Jeremiah @Yemihazan ... by man, paintings by painters, then you should know that for a lot of these things, they are built by multiple humans, not just A human. So if we're going base our conclusions on these kind of analogies, then isn't it possible there are multiple creators in charge of...

So this was created by nothing? just formed out of randomness and vibes... LMAO

@yeancahcreme @A_I_Jeremiah @Yemihazan ... come about on their own, and every observation has been shown that they need humans to come into being. Where is that same observation of universes created by deities for us to reach the same conclusion that our universe was created by one?

@yeancahcreme @A_I_Jeremiah @Yemihazan Do you know why I don't need anyone to tell me someone made a painting? Because our experiences show us that paintings come about when they're done by people, and not in any other way. There's no shred of evidence that shows that paintings, or cars, or doors, pick anyone, can...

@yeancahcreme @A_I_Jeremiah @Yemihazan How can you tell all of these are created?

@A_I_Jeremiah @Yemihazan No it was not!! It was carefully and properly created by God to support the life we currently live!!!!

@bcd_wxy @_OKJ__ You know what, we'd probably just go about in circles again, so this time actually, cheers.

@Connor1386862 @_OKJ__ Sighs.

One question I always ask Christians that I have never gotten any reasonable answer for is … If heaven involves perfect, unending happiness for the “saved”, how is it possible for them to experience that joy while retaining full knowledge of…and genuine love for…people they cared about who are were never saved and are suffering eternal torment in hell? Alternatively, if God erases or suppresses those memories to preserve heavenly bliss, does this not compromise the authenticity of the personal identity of the “saved …and the very notion of a perfectly loving and just deity who’s willing to erase people’s memory of their own loved one? These aren’t mundane questions.

@bcd_wxy @_OKJ__ I know I said cheers, but I have this bad habit. I didn't say happiness that can't be explained isn't happiness. I said happiness that can't be explained is meaningless to us. Do you disagree? I mean, you said it's "inconceivable" to the human mind. If something is...

@Connor1386862 @_OKJ__ So why saying that "happiness that can't be explained" isn't a type of happiness cause you've not felt it or its not rooted in your belief of happiness? I don't even know tbh. Cheers mate

@bcd_wxy @_OKJ__ Lol. And here I was thinking that if anything would solve the misunderstanding between us, it'd be the pot analogy. If your focus of my analogy were the pots itself, and not the logical structure of the analogy, then I don't think we're going to make any headway. Cheers, mate.

@Connor1386862 @_OKJ__ The pot analogy is terrible mate. Doesn't even come close. I have no idea how u expect a physical pots to exist in a heavenly realm. Its not only happiness that is refered to being different, Body Knowledge/understanding Rest/Peace Relationships/love Worship Joy/Happiness

@bcd_wxy @_OKJ__ So if there have been any confusions with regards to what I've been saying, I hope that the pot analogy solves it. If it doesn't, oh well.

@bcd_wxy @_OKJ__ ... pots to address the concept of pot in heaven, which is not supposed to be so, because, and this is important, the concept of pot isn't just, in your own words, a "2.0", i.e, a higher version of pot, but "fundamentally different" from pot as per our human understanding.