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@IJustDoItForThe You just contradicted yourself. Have a good night.

@ContraHeresy No. They did their best, but His church was lost. Once the authority was gone, confusion reigned and people started making crap up.

The idea that Jesus established a Church and then everyone immediately got it wrong for 1700 years is one of the wildest assumptions in Mormonism.

@IrreantumSea but its def 2/3 lol

@ContraHeresy lol tell me you’ve never actually read the bible without telling me.

@nasamomdele What you assert without evidence I can just deny without evidence

@ContraHeresy Makes way more sense considering the content of the espitles of Paul

@ChemBearEsq @joeljenkins801 Remember, when mormons have corruption in their church they cry "fallible men" and move on, when the Orthodox Church has corruption, they cry "proof of apostasy". Total double standard.

@joeljenkins801 @ContraHeresy You're dodging. Onus is on Mormons to prove the Great Apostasy.

@IJustDoItForThe So you believe every single Christian chose to abandon Him? Even the thousands of martyrs?

@ContraHeresy Nope. The Church and the rest of the world abandoned Him.

@crapolavich You're shadow boxing

Right, because humans are famously consistent, unified, and immune to error. John Henry Newman, "There was a temporary suspense of the functions of the Ecclesia docens… the body of the episcopate was unfaithful to its commission.” St Basil, Vincent of Lerins, St Augustine, St Jerome -- all admitted as much, too. So many famous quotes. Oh, and then 25-40% of the NT was written about warning of impending doctrinal drift and corruption (you know, shortly after Jesus died). - Acts 20:29–30 “After my departing shall grievous wolves enter in… Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things…” - Galatians 1:6–7 “I marvel that ye are so soon removed… unto another gospel.” - 2 Thessalonians 2:3 “That day shall not come, except there come a falling away first…” - 1 Timothy 4:1 “In the latter times some shall depart from the faith…” - 2 Timothy 4:3–4 “They will not endure sound doctrine… and shall be turned unto fables.” - 2 Peter 2:1 “There shall be false teachers among you… bringing in damnable heresies.” - 1 John 2:18–19 “Even now are there many antichrists… They went out from us, but they were not of us.” - Jude 1:4 “Certain men crept in unawares… turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness.” - Revelation 2:14–15 “Thou hast there them that hold the doctrine of Balaam… the Nicolaitans.” Revelation 3:15–16 “Because thou art lukewarm… I will spue thee out of my mouth.”

@FreeSparrowLife Literally Jesus: "I will build my Church"

@ContraHeresy Jesus did NOT establish a “church”!!

@IJustDoItForThe So Christ abandoned His body, His bride, the Church?

@ContraHeresy I don't blame the church. I blame the world. They literally killed the Apostles. The Church didn't stand a chance at not being taken advantage of by human greed and thirst for power.

@spiritteachmind many of the early Christians were martyred themselves retard

@ContraHeresy Have you ever read the Bible??? Nothing but rebukes from Paul for the “thousands of followers” who let their leaders get massacred. Apostasy was swift.

Christ is King ☦️

@HATU_man @DissentOrDie1 @mholt6 there's no apostles because people got things wrong and people got things wrong because there's no apostles! totally not a circle!

@ContraHeresy @DissentOrDie1 @mholt6 Right—and that’s not the point. The issue isn’t just people getting things wrong, it’s what happens when the apostles—who held priesthood authority and had the authority to correct—are gone. Without that, there’s no mechanism to preserve or restore doctrine.

@djlemmon_ @planksandpieces lol

@planksandpieces @ContraHeresy Don’t worry, Joseph Smith fixed that one for Mormon apologetics

So the birth control pill was given out like candy to every female millennial at age 15 and now IVF is a 50 billion dollar industry. Must be a coincidence.

@HansenWJason @ldsfilmguy Thanks Jason

@ContraHeresy @ldsfilmguy If you didn't understand the LDS faith before you left, why pretend to understand it now. It might be a good opportunity to really learn about something you thought you knew.

@joeljenkins801 @ChemBearEsq I love how you just said "prophecies" without even mentioning one lol

@ChemBearEsq @ContraHeresy Well, ya factor in prophecies about a falling away (which, you know, are kind of a big deal) and do the math and take a look at the utter confusion amongst the thousands of sects and well it seems to me there's far more evidence of an apostasy then evidence there isn't.

@UtahBrad Sure but just two groups do not agree on something does not prove that both groups are in apostasy

@ContraHeresy Many things but one of the primary reasons the council was convened is the many Bishops could not agree on the doctrine of Christ.

@HATU_man @DissentOrDie1 @mholt6 "People getting doctrines wrong " does not a universal apostasy make

@DissentOrDie1 @mholt6 @ContraHeresy Christianity spread through preaching and conversion. But even then, people were getting doctrine wrong—that’s why the apostles wrote letters correcting them. Growth shows influence, not preserved authority.

@HansenWJason @ldsfilmguy Thanks Jason

@ContraHeresy @ldsfilmguy The fact that you don't understand this should give you pause for how much you don't understand what you said in your original post.

@CutWithout Took a few centuries for the priesthood authority to be removed?

@ContraHeresy It took a few centuries.

@tytrib I was saying your comment was shifting the goal post. Which commentary is this? Who wrote it? I disagree that Jude is an innovative text, and there's no example of this provided in the screenshot.

@ContraHeresy The commentary directly addresses the scripture you referenced