Myra Bee
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Myra Bee
@CraftCoffeeNap
Mom. Multi-media Crafter. Coffee Addict. Seriously Needs A Nap. Catholic. Pro-life. In the war of Good and evil, there is no Switzerland.
Missouri, USA Katılım Ekim 2018
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I saw a post where a protestant lady was angry that every Catholic gives her almost the same response to all questions. She argued that Catholics are not deeply rooted in the bible.
I want to let Protestants and Evangelicals know;
That this is not the flex you think it is.
Giving different answers to the same questions and throwing in different Bible verses that are not related to the subject is the major reason why we have over 45,000 protestant denominations today.
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@ChristySimm23 @madaboutmd62432 @CameronScottR @KristanHawkins It has nothing to do with being lazy, it has to do with you still choosing to ignore the fact that none of the things you pointed out are ex cathedra. They are not dogmas of the church. This is nitpicking for the sake of argument, and exactly why I will no longer engage with you.
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@CraftCoffeeNap @madaboutmd62432 @CameronScottR @KristanHawkins I gave you details on the list from earlier 🤷♀️ You could've researched yourself. Shall I post Scripture regarding laziness?
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I feel bad for my non-Catholic Christian family and friends who think Mary was just some random chick.
She was chosen to be the new Ark.
She was chosen to literally house God in the flesh.
And the proof is clear that she is active in Heaven and here on earth, forever worshipping our Creator and praying for us.
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@ChristySimm23 @madaboutmd62432 @CameronScottR @KristanHawkins inclusively. It is not a contradiction, but again, a doctrinal development with continuance in the underlying principle, salvation through Christ and his Church. Again, not ex cathedra.
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@ChristySimm23 @madaboutmd62432 @CameronScottR @KristanHawkins it was just clarified over time. Even in the middle ages, Aquinas spoke on God working beyond the visible sacraments, that God's grace is not limited by human boundaries, and people can be saved if they are without fault. The phrase was not discarded, it was reinterpreted more
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@ChristySimm23 @madaboutmd62432 @CameronScottR @KristanHawkins groups used cremation. This was never dogma, it was never ex cathedra. There is not a denial of the resurrection due to cremation, but there are still rules to remain respectful of the body, and not to deny Christian beliefs.
Extra Ecclesiam nulla salus was not a reversel,
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@ChristySimm23 @madaboutmd62432 @CameronScottR @KristanHawkins Limbo of infants has never been dogma. It was a theological theory developed in the middle ages. It was never official church teaching. So again, not ex cathedra.
Cremation was not a theological problem, but an opposition to cultural and symbolic concerns, as many non-Christian
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@ChristySimm23 @madaboutmd62432 @CameronScottR @KristanHawkins don't support. Again, anything after Vatican II and the infiltration needs reviewed heavily. "Test everything; hold fast what is good." Pope Francis didn't issue anything ex cathedra.
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@ChristySimm23 @madaboutmd62432 @CameronScottR @KristanHawkins Still not ex cathedra.
The state does have the right to the Death Penalty. This again, was not ex cathedra. There is a lot that has to be taken in to account for the death penalty to be carried out, but it is not condemned. Francis said a lot of things that a lot of Catholics
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@ChristySimm23 @madaboutmd62432 @CameronScottR @KristanHawkins Supporting slavery was never ex cathedra. There were papal bulls, but again those are not infallible. The Bible did not call for the abolition of slavery, it set standards for how slaves should be treated. Clearly, with time the stance has changed, as it should have.
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@ChristySimm23 @madaboutmd62432 @CameronScottR @KristanHawkins There is a difference in consumptive loan vs investment.
So again, not a hot take.
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@ChristySimm23 @madaboutmd62432 @CameronScottR @KristanHawkins money,
risk of nonpayment,
opportunity costs, and
partnership investment profits.
The principle never changed; the application did.
The shift is from condemning nearly all interest in a pre-capital economy to clarifying exploitative lending.
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@ChristySimm23 @madaboutmd62432 @CameronScottR @KristanHawkins Economic realities have changed over time, therefore the doctrine developed with time, it wasn't reversed. The church still condemns usury, the definition has just narrowed. Medieval canon law allowed compensation for things like:
actual losses suffered by the person lending the
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@ChristySimm23 @madaboutmd62432 @CameronScottR @KristanHawkins Oh boy, here we go.
Pope Honorius I on Monothelitism was not ex cathedra, which we already acknowledge in anathema. So, no hot take for you there.
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@ChristySimm23 @madaboutmd62432 @CameronScottR @KristanHawkins Also, when discussing the faith, the Bible says to do so with "gentleness and respect" [1 Pet 3:15] rather than being quarrelsome [2 Tim 2:24], and Proverbs warns against arguing with a "fool" or mocker, which only brings strife rather than wisdom [Prov 23:9, 14:7] So, bye.😘
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"Development of Doctrine" 😆
Pope Honorius I & Monothelitism: Pope Honorius I taught (or at least strongly supported) the heresy of Monothelitism (Christ had only one will).
He was formally condemned as a heretic by the Third Council of Constantinople (680–681) and anathematized by several later popes.
Usury (Charging Interest on Loans): For centuries the Church taught that charging any interest on loans was a grave sin (based on medieval economics).
By the 19th–20th centuries, the Church reversed this and now accepts reasonable interest as morally licit.
Slavery: The Church historically accepted and sometimes regulated slavery as compatible with natural law. In the 20th century (especially under John Paul II), it declared slavery intrinsically evil.
The Death Penalty: For centuries the Church taught the state had the right to use the death penalty.
Pope Francis (2018) revised the Catechism to call it “inadmissible” in all cases, a major shift.
Limbo of Infants: For centuries, the Church taught that unbaptized infants went to Limbo (a state of natural happiness but without the Beatific Vision).
This teaching has been largely abandoned/downgraded since the 20th century (especially under Benedict XVI and Francis).
Cremation: The Church strictly banned cremation for centuries (considered a denial of bodily resurrection).
The ban was lifted in 1963 (Vatican II era).
Salvation Outside the Church (“Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus”): Earlier, very strict interpretations said no one outside the visible Catholic Church could be saved.
Vatican II (1960s) dramatically broadened this to include “invincible ignorance,” implicit desire, etc.
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@ChristySimm23 @madaboutmd62432 @CameronScottR @KristanHawkins Again, where's the ex cathedra? Also, do you know how many Catholics reject Vatican II, and the confusion it has caused and what has happened since? Maybe you should spend more time looking in to the infiltration, and understanding what is Catholic and what isn't.
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@tobeawitness @CSW_Hoosier Catholic from the Greek kathalou means literally "on the whole", people simplify this as "universal" when it has much more dimension and is closer translated as all in or all out, either accept all revealed truth unfiltered or don't.
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@ChristySimm23 @madaboutmd62432 @CameronScottR @KristanHawkins Did the Church reverse itself and repudiate its prior teaching? Or was this change a development of doctrine? Again, was it ex cathedra?
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@madaboutmd62432 @CraftCoffeeNap @CameronScottR @KristanHawkins Again, WRONG. Here's a list of just the things the Catholic Church later REVERSED:
Pope Honorius I & Monothelitism
Usury (Charging Interest on Loans)
Slavery
Death Penalty
Limbo of Infants
Cremation
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@ChristySimm23 @madaboutmd62432 @CameronScottR @KristanHawkins Yes, there are some things that are ex cathedra, but if you look, a small fraction is ex cathedra.
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Excuse me? The Catholic Church officially teaches that the Pope is infallible when he speaks ex cathedra on faith and morals.
Worse, for centuries your Church taught that refusing submission to the Pope or defined doctrines could cost you your salvation (“Outside the Church there is no salvation”). And they didn’t just disagree with people, they burned them alive for it.
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