El Conquistador

@needGod_net No works needed everyone! What Jesus did on the cross is enough! You can do nothing!

Believing that your works play a part in getting you to heaven is to say that what Jesus did on the cross was not enough.

@needGod_net This just doesn’t make any sense.

@WiseWolf52 “But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth.” 1 Timothy 3:15

@WiseWolf52 My original point is Paul isn’t writing anything about individualistic belief in Jesus separate from the larger church of bishops/presbyters and deacons appointed by them.. so many protties make individual verses of just plain belief in Christ and speak against Church beliefs.

St. Paul wrote his letters to churches not individual believers.

@JkrGuidoSSO27 @IndianaBrunner Aware. Augustine and Aquinas taught it without turning God into the cause of evil or removing free will. Calvin took it further than the Church ever did.

@Cross_SlashDior @IndianaBrunner You're aware Catholics have predestination too?

W John Calvin 🔥

@LizzieMarbach Pathetically Poor simple minded Lizzie doesn’t understand the words “Delivered” and “received”and the Apostolic tradition of meaning behind those words.

The doctrine of sola scriptura was proclaimed & emphasized by Paul in the very first Christian creed: “For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received: that Christ died for our sins in accordance with the Scriptures, that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day in accordance with the Scriptures, and that he appeared to Cephas, then to the twelve. Then he appeared to more than five hundred brothers at one time, most of whom are still alive, though some have fallen asleep. Then he appeared to James, then to all the apostles. Last of all, as to one untimely born, he appeared also to me.” 1 Corinthians 15:3-8

Says no Bible verse ever! Entirely Faith alone is absent from scripture and James 2 shows why!

@EvidenceOfFaith @Aaronaeus But we Catholic are crazy huh?! Cause you’ve never heard that interpretation before right?

@EvidenceOfFaith @Aaronaeus Calling his own mother “woman” is not normal, that’s the key point! The woman at Cana 7 days from “In the beginning” and at the foot of the cross, “Woman behold thy son” and to the “disciple whom Jesus loved, Behold thy mother” Where is the birth of new creation? On the cross.

The 12 stars absolutely point to Israel and the 12 tribes. Catholics agree with that. But Mary is the faithful daughter of Zion and the embodiment of faithful Israel. Biblical typology often works this way. Tim Staples actually addresses this exact kind of objection in Behold Your Mother. His point is that Revelation often uses layered symbolism, where a figure can be both an individual person and a corporate reality at the same time. Jesus Himself is both an individual person and the embodiment of Israel “Out of Egypt I called my son” — Matthew 2:15. Revelation 12 is doing the same thing: The woman is Mary personally Israel typologically and the Church spiritually Not either/or. Both/and. That was the whole point of my reply. If the dragon/serpent is interpreted as an individual (Satan) and the child is interpreted as an individual (Christ), then there’s no reason the woman suddenly cannot also be interpreted personally. Especially when Revelation 12 explicitly says the woman gives birth to the Messiah. Israel as a nation did not literally give birth to Jesus. Mary did. Mary bring the woman in Revelation 12 argument is that biblical typology constantly works this way: —Jesus is both an individual and true Israel — David is both an individual king and a type of the Messiah — Jerusalem is both a city and the people of God So the woman representing Israel does not eliminate Mary. It actually points directly to her as the faithful Israelite woman through whom the Messiah came into the world.

@EvidenceOfFaith @Aaronaeus “Then the dragon was angry with the woman, and went off to make war on the rest of her offspring, on those who keep the commandments of God and bear testimony to Jesus. And he stood on the sand of the sea.” Revelation 12:17

@EvidenceOfFaith @Aaronaeus “My hour is not yet come”Jn 2:4 When is the “Hour” finally fulfilled? on the cross..was not Christ pierced in His side? Was not the birth of new creation flowing out His side when it was pierced? Where is the “woman”again? Into the beloved disciple’s home from “that hour”Jn 19:26

@BIG_SGT_D St. Paul wrote his letter to churches not individual believers.

I read the Bible a lot, literaly every day, so it's guaranteed I'll read the entire Bible at least once in a year. Because I do that, It's really easy for me to go through the entire Bible focusing specifically on a certain subject like Catholicism. I've done it several times now, and every time I do catholicism only gets worse. There is no justifying it, none whatsoever. It only becomes more and more clear that Roman Catholicism is satan's counterfeit and the mother of all harlots.

@EvidenceOfFaith @Aaronaeus Cute but his mother is called woman twice by Jesus, when? you better sit down for this one…at Cana, 7 days of creation story from “In the beginning” of John’s Gospel(sounds like Adam calling Eve woman. Could it be she is the New Eve???) And the other at the cross, His hour! Why?

@Cross_SlashDior @Aaronaeus There were many women in the Bible, and they were all called "woman." You know why? You'd better sit down for this one......because they were women.

@JennyWakefiel12 I don’t think Paul wrote to the Christian Church community, in which he exercised authority over, that belief can be separated from the Church. Best read it context in not separating the letter from the Church.

Great discussion! 1 Corinthians 1:21 “…it pleased God…to save those who believe..” Not those who join the “right” church, not those who get baptized… those who BELIEVE Satan doesn’t want you to be sure of your salvation; Christ says you can be

@needGod_net @Acts17David Again James and others were almost thrown out by a Protestant because he didn’t believe them to be scripture… it’s not privately self evident cause if it were, scriptures could be tossed out at will!

@Acts17David Either the canon was recognized based on evidence or arbitrarily declared. If arbitrary, it isn’t trustworthy, but if evidence-based, anyone could reach the same conclusion. So no so-called "infallible" institution needed.

Did the Catholic or Eastern Orthodox church "decide" the Biblical canon? @Acts17David: " If your church is just saying, 'Hey, we're arbitrarily deciding what the correct scriptures are,' then no, I shouldn't trust."