@solidarityhours @Lord_Mudcrab95 What on earth could this possibly be based on other than an extremely niche anecdote?? There are more Chinese Marxist publications than probably any other language on earth.
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@CyberBepis
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@Lord_Mudcrab95 "Opening up and reform"...if you go to Chinese universities or speak to economists, they're more interested in Hayek than Marx these days. Has been that way for some time.
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China call themselves a Marxist-Leninists state.
Morrisan15@morris_que14
China is truly the main character of the 21st century bc every ideology is trying to claim its success as their own. Marxist-Leninists, fascists and capitalists all claim that China copied their economic model and hence why China is representative of their own ideology.
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@ihatethisapp694 @doof_tram Only thing worse than a rapper finding god is a white rapper finding god🤮
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@KellMorrHK @chrissti2n You are missing some context due to the nature of how this conversation started. This is the strawman I am referring to. The below is, very plainly, not a coherent argument against LTV as we have been discussing it.
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@CyberBepis @chrissti2n If you are arguing use-value, meaning nature, that what you are really arguing is not value, per se, but wealth.
Stuff that has 'value' independent labor is simply wealth.
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@chrissti2n Not sure what the point was in me telling you the same thing a dozen others had already told you, but yes Marx is a classical economist. You laugh because you are retarded and self-evidently do not understand the LTV or what it is.
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@KellMorrHK @chrissti2n “In a commodity” is the heavy lifting part here. Value exists outside of commodities and LTV doesn’t suggest all value exists within commodities. The critiques of LTV at the far other end of this convo are entirely straw-men based on abstract labor occurring outside of production
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@CyberBepis @chrissti2n All value in a commodity is labor according to Marx.
He is explicit.
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@KellMorrHK @chrissti2n “ALL value in the production process of commodities is created by labor independent of price and the market.”
This is true under LTV. However use value does determine exchange value in the sense that a commodity will not be produced unless someone will buy it.
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Slightly incorrect.
Use-value (or utility or social necessity) shows a commodity has value, it does not determine that value. ALL value in the production process of commodities is created by labor independent of price and the market.
This, of course, debunked by Menger and Bohm Bawek but that was the case that Marx made.
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Whiny diatribe about the “elite” from a hundred billion dollar corporation embedded directly into the infrastructure of the federal government hahahahahahaha
Palantir@PalantirTech
Because we get asked a lot. The Technological Republic, in brief. 1. Silicon Valley owes a moral debt to the country that made its rise possible. The engineering elite of Silicon Valley has an affirmative obligation to participate in the defense of the nation. 2. We must rebel against the tyranny of the apps. Is the iPhone our greatest creative if not crowning achievement as a civilization? The object has changed our lives, but it may also now be limiting and constraining our sense of the possible. 3. Free email is not enough. The decadence of a culture or civilization, and indeed its ruling class, will be forgiven only if that culture is capable of delivering economic growth and security for the public. 4. The limits of soft power, of soaring rhetoric alone, have been exposed. The ability of free and democratic societies to prevail requires something more than moral appeal. It requires hard power, and hard power in this century will be built on software. 5. The question is not whether A.I. weapons will be built; it is who will build them and for what purpose. Our adversaries will not pause to indulge in theatrical debates about the merits of developing technologies with critical military and national security applications. They will proceed. 6. National service should be a universal duty. We should, as a society, seriously consider moving away from an all-volunteer force and only fight the next war if everyone shares in the risk and the cost. 7. If a U.S. Marine asks for a better rifle, we should build it; and the same goes for software. We should as a country be capable of continuing a debate about the appropriateness of military action abroad while remaining unflinching in our commitment to those we have asked to step into harm’s way. 8. Public servants need not be our priests. Any business that compensated its employees in the way that the federal government compensates public servants would struggle to survive. 9. We should show far more grace towards those who have subjected themselves to public life. The eradication of any space for forgiveness—a jettisoning of any tolerance for the complexities and contradictions of the human psyche—may leave us with a cast of characters at the helm we will grow to regret. 10. The psychologization of modern politics is leading us astray. Those who look to the political arena to nourish their soul and sense of self, who rely too heavily on their internal life finding expression in people they may never meet, will be left disappointed. 11. Our society has grown too eager to hasten, and is often gleeful at, the demise of its enemies. The vanquishing of an opponent is a moment to pause, not rejoice. 12. The atomic age is ending. One age of deterrence, the atomic age, is ending, and a new era of deterrence built on A.I. is set to begin. 13. No other country in the history of the world has advanced progressive values more than this one. The United States is far from perfect. But it is easy to forget how much more opportunity exists in this country for those who are not hereditary elites than in any other nation on the planet. 14. American power has made possible an extraordinarily long peace. Too many have forgotten or perhaps take for granted that nearly a century of some version of peace has prevailed in the world without a great power military conflict. At least three generations — billions of people and their children and now grandchildren — have never known a world war. 15. The postwar neutering of Germany and Japan must be undone. The defanging of Germany was an overcorrection for which Europe is now paying a heavy price. A similar and highly theatrical commitment to Japanese pacifism will, if maintained, also threaten to shift the balance of power in Asia. 16. We should applaud those who attempt to build where the market has failed to act. The culture almost snickers at Musk’s interest in grand narrative, as if billionaires ought to simply stay in their lane of enriching themselves . . . . Any curiosity or genuine interest in the value of what he has created is essentially dismissed, or perhaps lurks from beneath a thinly veiled scorn. 17. Silicon Valley must play a role in addressing violent crime. Many politicians across the United States have essentially shrugged when it comes to violent crime, abandoning any serious efforts to address the problem or take on any risk with their constituencies or donors in coming up with solutions and experiments in what should be a desperate bid to save lives. 18. The ruthless exposure of the private lives of public figures drives far too much talent away from government service. The public arena—and the shallow and petty assaults against those who dare to do something other than enrich themselves—has become so unforgiving that the republic is left with a significant roster of ineffectual, empty vessels whose ambition one would forgive if there were any genuine belief structure lurking within. 19. The caution in public life that we unwittingly encourage is corrosive. Those who say nothing wrong often say nothing much at all. 20. The pervasive intolerance of religious belief in certain circles must be resisted. The elite’s intolerance of religious belief is perhaps one of the most telling signs that its political project constitutes a less open intellectual movement than many within it would claim. 21. Some cultures have produced vital advances; others remain dysfunctional and regressive. All cultures are now equal. Criticism and value judgments are forbidden. Yet this new dogma glosses over the fact that certain cultures and indeed subcultures . . . have produced wonders. Others have proven middling, and worse, regressive and harmful. 22. We must resist the shallow temptation of a vacant and hollow pluralism. We, in America and more broadly the West, have for the past half century resisted defining national cultures in the name of inclusivity. But inclusion into what? Excerpts from the #1 New York Times Bestseller The Technological Republic: Hard Power, Soft Belief, and the Future of the West, by Alexander C. Karp & Nicholas W. Zamiska techrepublicbook.com
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@KellMorrHK @chrissti2n The entire point of the commodity form as a critique of capital is that it demonstrates capital *must* realize profit through labor. LTV suggests all commodity exchange values are a direct function of their labor. This is not equivelant to “all value comes from labor”.
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@KellMorrHK @chrissti2n This straight up agrees with exactly what I said. Of course all exchange values can be explained in terms of labor, that is the entire point of LTV. All value does not exist within the commodity form.
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@chrissti2n LTV does not even posit that all value is created by labor- it is just a classical way of representing the exchange value of a commodity as a function of labor, and measuring the profit of the exchange in terms of unpaid labor.
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@chrissti2n I can drink water and functionally realize its use-value without it being sold to me as a commodity. The commodity form necessitates that a profit exists within its exchange value. The profit is definitionally in excess of the use-value of the commodity.
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@chrissti2n Creation/Realization are synonymous with regard to exchange value. This is why the commodity form is important in its specificity. Use-value (utility) is an ethereal, fundamentally unmeasurable construct that exists within and outside of the commodity form.
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@chrissti2n As always, the problem is that marginalists do not understand Marxism at even the most basic level. Wtf do you think “use-value” means?
Marx never claimed exchange values existed completely separate from their subjective utility. He just didn’t think it was the source of profit.
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@chrissti2n LTV does not even posit that all value is created by labor- it is just a classical way of representing the exchange value of a commodity as a function of labor, and measuring the profit of the exchange in terms of unpaid labor.
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@lthlnkso @yugoslav_luka @Mike_from_PA The correct conclusion would be what you said several tweets ago- that confounding factors make it difficult to parse out the mortality effect of being uninsured. However again you are a dishonest ideologue and not a real empiricist lol.
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@lthlnkso @yugoslav_luka @Mike_from_PA “Health insurance coverage and young adult mortality have both increased, so we know it’s wrong”
You are the most transparent ideologue masquerading as an empiricist I have seen in a long time lmfao. Putting your entire foot in your mouth regarding causality.
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According to a recent study from Yale, there are 68,000 excess deaths per year that can be attributed to people who delay or avoid care because they lack health insurance. What do you attribute their deaths to? Magic?
No it is the structure of our healthcare system.
Kelsey Piper@KelseyTuoc
Piker's views on theft are bad, but they really do pale in comparison to his views on murder: that the important thing about Brian Thompson's murder is that healthcare CEOs are 'engaging in a tremendous amount of social murder' due to 'the structural violence of 'poverty'
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@sigmahamster2 @Frhawn_ I took two seconds to superimpose the graphs on one another, and sure enough, the OP is a blind retard.
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@sigmahamster2 @Frhawn_ You have to be straight up retarded or blind to claim these graphs show the same post 2007 trend.
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>be Chinese citizen
>you rent a house for your family
>invest in apartment bc the government says it will appreciate in value
>get labeled “homeowner”
>value plummets
>you lose your investment and now have an apartment no one wants
>leftists celebrate this
Mike from PA@Mike_from_PA
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